Has anyone else noticed how prevalent Hexbear posters have suddenly become? Maybe sometime last week I noticed nearly every political post had at least one long thread of Hexbear users that do nothing but repeat CCP talking points while waving anyway anything even remotely reliable as Western propaganda. That or getting all excited about trolled libs. The way they tell it, you'd think everything from DW, to Fox, to Propublica, to straight up AP News articles, are all written by the same people.
Not to mention, their info on the Fediverse observer is either straight up wrong or there's some serious botting going on. According to that, the instance is less than a month old, yet somehow they already have one of the largest, most active userbases, along with far and away the most comments of any instance.
Seems to me like Lemmygrad on steroids. Considering we defederated from them, seems like a no-brainer to block Hexbear as well.
So glad this thread could become such a perfect microcosm of why we need to defederate.
You can't defederate, I'm the only person keeping !ohio@midwest.social and !cleveland@midwest.social active. The power and frequency of our posting is a boon to the rest of the Lemmyverse.
Your instance, along with exploding heads and lemmygrad, are ruining the fediverse. I've stopped recommending it to anyone because of people like you.
Here you are brigading
Midwest.Social, and you constantly push authoritarian propaganda throughout the fediverse.
We are not brigading. We're just extremely online and this post came into our feed like it did yours. Are we not allowed to comment on posts in our feed?
"Brigading"
Learn how federation works, or better yet, go back to reddit.
I know how it works, go back to your fork.
Go back to yours, brigader
Turns out YOU should learn how federation works, maybe you can do that after you learn how to stop shoving your propaganda down other people's throats.
you're currently "brigading" a thread in your non-native instance about how rude it is that liberals aren't allowed to spread their right-wing propaganda uncontested
every accusation a confession
Your account isnt from the midwest.social instance either...
No kidding, instances and forks are completely different things.
You really dont understand the history of lemmy at all. We were originally part of it like, at its inception, and communists helped build it. We forked so we could add shit like pronoun tags. We have as much of a right to be part of the fediverse as you do. Sorry that rustles your jimmies.
tl;dr We're as much of an instance as you are, get over it.
Go back to
GO THE FUCK BACK WHERE YOU CAME FROM 23 FUCKING DAYS OF USER HISTORY
WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU TO TELL ANYONE HERE HOW THINGS SHOULD BE
Bullshit
This post appeared on my feed. That's the only reason I'm here. Get used to not being popular. This isn't Reddit. No one is going to protect you from not encountering leftists.
Of course it did....
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You don't want an instance to defend themselves when being accused of something and possibly punished with defederation? Wow that sounds pretty authoritarian not a good look my dude do you not believe in due process and the rule of law?
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Please, go through hexbear and look for any comments calling for a brigade. You will find none.
Is your web browser broken? You're unable to see this for yourself?
It literally came up on my feed dude. Thats how the fediverse works. Also you may notice that YOU are not part of this instance either??? So.
Coping that your instance isn't as active as ours lol
I don't care how active my instance is, I'll probably move to another one soon anyway. I just hate authoritarian propaganda.
bro the United States has the largest prison population in the world and regularly overthrows countries they don't like, the US is by far the most authoritarian country in the world by any sensible definition
I thought Hexbear users didn't assume gender.
Do you even look up what these words mean? The US has some considerable authoritarian issues, but it's way more democratic than many other countries.
Also why are we suddenly talking about the US, are you just reading from the script or what?
apologies, we have pronoun tags on Hexbear so that we don't have to assume, we can just know.
democracy is when most of your country disapproves of their elected representatives and authoritarianism is when most of your country approves of their elected representatives and yes, there are in fact elections in China and even (hold on to your hat for this one) North Korea!
Is democracy is the mere condition of being able to choose from two awful choices, or is it instead the condition of having a competent government of which most of the population approves of?
Could you see how it would be incredibly easy to create an authoritarian government if you decided to have effectively the same party swap power every couple terms, so long as you defined "democracy" as "the ability to vote for what party rules over your state"? Could you see how it would be much more difficult to fulfil the latter definition without actually addressing the concerns of the populace, which bad authoritarian states would have a hard time doing?
"authoritarianism" is the condition of one person, or group of people, having coercive or even violent power over another. all governments are authoritarian, obviously, and most are very authoritarian. Lenin's definition of the state as the means for the outnumbered class (the rich, the elite, the bourgeoisie, whatever) to exert control over the working class is the most sensible and applicable definition I've ever found, and by that definition, and by the fact that people all around the world have to labor for the rich regularly to not starve or become homeless, all countries are generally pretty comparable in "authoritarian-ness", making it an awful way of defining countries at all.
Says the brain genius that has been non stop NPC posting how everyone is a bot or 'BrAiNwaSheD'
Couldn't help but notice you raising pronouns as a
'gotcha' and not actually providing your pronouns.
Hey maybe you'll have a better experience with the community on this website if you stop being such a giant piece of shit
Can I just say how infuriating that "why did you assume my gender" thing is? They tried that on me too and I felt compelled to apologize for saying "guy" but its so CLEARLY being used as a
"gotcha". Its such an obvious trap but you sort of HAVE to fall into it or look like even more of an asshole. Fucking infuriating.
After I got called on it once I'm just doing blanket they
—Xi Jinping
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I love brigading and I can't wait to brigade more posts. I am going to brigade every post I see
You can take the redditor out of
but you can't take the 
out of the redditor
Fuck nazis and fuck you.
So much for the tolerant left
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I support human rights and I'm intolerant of Nazis and other authoritarians.
Oh you like human rights? Name three of their albums
They have a lot of good ones, but I'd say
Fake fan detected
I am ashamed
The ukrainian famine was made into a genocide narrative by literal nazis, see hearst press. When the nazis occupied Ukraine, the rhetoric around killing Jewish people involved a lot of "collaborated to do the holodomor"
Fuck your nazi rhetoric.
LMAO three seconds ago I pointed out how you're the type of person who would side with the nazis and one click of a 'load more comments' finds you literally siding with nazis
lmao you humorless pencilneck nerd. Did you realize that was a punchline, or does your algorithm not pick those up
https://www.villagevoice.com/in-search-of-a-soviet-holocaust/
Equating communists with fascists is holocaust denial.
Yeah so are we, you should come post on hexbear with us
Hexbear is absolutely full of authoritarian propaganda from the Kremlin and CCP.
If hexbear was actually what it pretends to be I'd probably love it.
You mention Russian and CCP propaganda a lot. Why is your skepticism only directed at US state enemies? Do you deny that western media has uncritically disseminated US state propaganda about US state enemies in the past, or do you still believe that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq?
You know how you dipshit liberals love the refrain "equality feels like persecution to people who have been privilidged" or something like that?
A very similar thing is happening with you right now in regards to propaganda.
If you could make a good faith effort to lurk around occasionally I think you'll have a different opinion. Please take a moment and look at how and what information we share with each other and you'll see we're not what we've been made out to be. No propaganda, no authoritarianism. You'll see careful deconstructions of propaganda and maybe obtain an understanding of the correct usage of authoritarianism. Most importantly you'll see we're regular leftist shitposters, we just read theory
Fuck are you gonna do then
"Fuck both sides"
Says the person who would 100% side with the nazis
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clicking on a post at the top of All/Active is brigading. words definitely mean things.
BOTH SIDES
They're not "both sides" they're both extremist communities filled with hate and misinformation.
Literally opposite sides of the political spectrum dude. This is the literal definition of both sidesing.
Yeah uh huh wanting to do genocide to minorities is the same thing as posting pig poop balls when liberals support western imperialism.
You aren't a "side" you're a small group of angry, useful idiots and bots. If you want to talk about genocide, let's talk about the current genocide the CCP is carrying out.
The one the UN can find no evidence of ?
Here, educate yourself
"Let's talk about the current genocide the CCP is carrying out"
"Here's a source from western-aligned organizations disputing this"
"I'm not reading this"
Liberalism in a nutshell
Not reading your propaganda, I'm actively trying to get hexbear admins to block me.
presented with a discussion about the topic, largely backed by western sources
lmao
Please, if you don't read it the view counter doesn't increment and I don't get my weed money from Xi
The UN is now carrying out "CCP" propaganda
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Reality has a communist bias
I would be so embarrassed to type out that message and then choose to send it.
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Please I'm begging you to have even the slightest bit of intellectual curiosity and stop shutting off your mind with thought terminating cliches. Please.
You act like this and yet I'm sure you'll still act offended if people call you proudly and petulantly ignorant, won't you?
pathetic
I'm not going to argue with you about Xijiang because I'm not as educated as some of my comrades on the subject, you're wrong about it, but whatever
But this...
For the fucking 1000th time since federation why would anyone bot this tiny ass site. Why would it be a useful investment for China or Russia to do this Please actually go to our instance and look at our post histories. In mine I have a rant talking about weird shit that happened in an American Pie movie. We're just normal people with views on geopolitics you aren't used to. None of us are bots. Its pure liberal solipism to write off anyone who counters the prevailing liberal narrative on geopolitics of being bots.
Its so fucking rich having liberals who live IN THE WEST and are useful idiots for western propaganda call us this. Think about it logically for a second, who is more likely to be a useful idiot? The person living in the west and saying the shit the western media tells them to say about bad evil enemy countries when they have been PROVEN to be lying about bad evil enemy countries before (Iraq, Vietnam, Korea) or the guy going against the prevailing narrative in his country? Hmm?
We are the far left of the political spectrum, and we're only a small insignificant group if you only count white westerners.
Great way to start your comment, so far 0/10.
Do you think it's hard to make a bot? I suspect it's WAY easier here because at least the awful corporate sites have experience removing fake accounts.
I'm not a liberal, you're just throwing generalizations at a straw man you made. And the rest of your post is just more generalization, like assuming my sex, nationality, and ability to think critically.
If you're actually not a bot, pull your head out of your ass.
If there were actual bots on lemmy they would be selling you cialis and viagra, THINK chico
The Kremlin and CCP have more power and leeway than a pharma company. Use your BRAIN amigo
That's funny cause I moderate lemmygrad and we used to get a lot of bot account requests for online "pharmacies"
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The Krelmin and "CCP" do not actually have more power and leeway in the west than western corporations and this should be obvious to you.
[Citation needed]
No investigation no right to speak. I haven't researched the Xijiang issue well enough to comment well on it, so I won't. Someone else can take up that cause if they want. But I HAVE researched it enough to know where the truth lies, I just would be bad at arguing the point. Admitting that isn't a weakness and doesn't make me look bad. Its literally a good thing. You put it out there, so I kind of have to acknowledge it or you would have used THAT to imply my weakness as well.
It doesnt matter if its hard to make a bot. It matters if its worth doing. Why would any country think changing hearts and minds of foreigners on Lemmy is worth their time? Its pure arrogance to think you're worth a foreign governments time and energy.
You can insist this all you want, but your positions on geopolitics align with the liberal hegemonistic order. You are at best a radlib who thinks they're a socialist for supporting universal healthcare or something. IE, someone who wants a bigger piece of the plundering of the global South and doesn't care about their plight. Your positions on geopolitics are liberal ones, whether you consider yourself one or not.
Sorry for saying guy, though if you ARE a guy and just doing this as a gotcha anyway you're an asshole.
I really doubt you dont live in the west. This one I have to assume is a bullshit attempt at a gotcha. "How do you KNOW I'm a westerner" is debate lord shit if you actually are a westerner. If you arent, well the useful idiot label still applies.
You did this to me too lol????
Why would the CCP want to undermine their biggest geopolitical enemy? You don't think they'd want to do this???
You very obviously don't know my positions on geopolitics and I'm done with this sad strawman debate since you've got nothing else.
You heard it here, folks, Lemmy users are officially the CCP's biggest geopolitical enemy. Eat shit, Biden.
It's only logical, after all, they spend all their time thinking about China, so why shouldn't the opposite be true?
Can't help but notice when someone DID come through with a counter argument you shut it down immediately.
Liberals
chuds
Finding any fraction of your reply to use in bad faith as an excuse to disengage
Ah yes, bots who've mostly spent one or more years just talking entirely insularly with each other about things of interest, and just random general stuff, like my account literally has pictures of me on it, and just discussions about questioning my gender or books I've been reading recently or films I like as well as like political discussion. This isn't even my first account, I've had like 2 or 3 previous ones that a forgot the password to and so just made a new one because I could never be bothered to use a password manager. And the vast majority of users from here I recognise from seeing posting in threads about their mental health, or memes, or the weekly queer discussion thread we have, or getting into dumb struggle sessions about inane shit like little libraries or outdoor cats or stacking rocks (don't ask)
Also I'm in discords with like several dozen of them and mutuals on mastodon with dozens and dozens more. point is, we're all real, we just all post and have basically no lurkers so we have a disproportionate level of influence on Lemmy.
Substantiate your claims of misinformation or shut the fuck up
Extremism is when you don't want the world to burn and the poor to starve, and the more you're willing to do something other than politely beg to live, the more extremist it is.
Learn how federation works, people saw a thread on their feed and commented on it
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Feel free to learn what brigading means.
You're the one who doesn't understand what brigading is. Go to hexbear. Do you see any posts saying "hey everyone dogpile this post"? No. It came up on our feeds. Thats not brigading.
I'm legitimately curious what you think brigading is.
go back to reddit hayseed
Brigading? It's a post about us!
Lemmy was created by communists, with lemmygrad and hexbear being among the first to exist. Lemmygrad second instance after lemmy ml actually. Do you see us cry and stop recommending it because there are libs on our sites?
Actually yes I do, even though other people aren't going around shoving propaganda down your throats... well aside from exploding heads and a couple smaller instances
You see people on lemmygrad and hexbear stop recommending people join their respective sites...?
Imagine thinking that being leftists in the center of reactionary world power, we're not subject to people shoving propaganda down our throats.
Fucking dumbass thing to say.
You are a fish that doesn't perceive water.
someone makes a post specifically mentioning us by name slandering us, we refute it, and it's us brigading?
wild
this post shows up on All on Hexbear, because we are federated. I am posting, in this thread, from hexbear.net. nobody has brigaded anything, this is how federation works. I'm sorry this is frustrating for you, but there's no reason to freak out and accuse people of brigading.
We're not brigading dipshit, this is on the top of our homepage. Learn how the fuck federation works.
Fucking asshole showing up no more than 23 days ago acting like you own the place.
Oh no. Please don't leave. We're totally begging you.