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DS9:
- The utopian paradise has a basis in material conditions and humanity is not entirely above losing their idealism with the erosion of those conditions
- When suddenly met with an enemy that seems overwhelming, the intelligence organizations of established powers have no qualms about multiple attempts to commit genocide against them; official governments (supposed good guys) disavow this but then actively frustrate an attempt to stop the genocide when a cure for the engineered disease is found
When suddenly met with an enemy that seems overwhelming
Uh, what? The Federation were losing quite badly, and the show already established countless times before that just how brutal and authoritarian the Dominion were, so the Federation was pretty much fighting for their survival. They were only able to start turning it around when the magic wormhole aliens intervened (which the federation scoffs at the idea of them existing so...) in the retaking of DS9 when Ben Sisko decided to attempt to solo an entire dominion fleet with the USS
Ben Sisko's Motherfuckin Pimp HandDefiant.the intelligence organizations of established powers have no qualms about multiple attempts to commit genocide against them
Which if you payed attention to the show at all, all the genocide attempts happened long before the wormhole aliens (pretty much the only reason the Dominion got put on the track towards losing the war) decided to get off their ass and do something.
edit: not condoning it, it's just the options available at the point where s31 enacted the plan that poisoned the changlings (which only worked because Odo who was unknowingly carrying the poison went to the changling homeworld) weren't all that great, and the Dominion was sure as hell going to apply some guilt by association if they won.
Also this is a post Wolf-359 federation, so...
Section 31 created the virus and infected Odo during mid season 4. There was also the earlier Tal Shiar/Obsidian Order strike against the Founder homeworld plus Garak's trying to use the weapons on the Defiant to repeat that attempt.
Both were not just before the wormhole aliens intervened in the war with the Dominion, but before any open war had even started. It was attempted genocide as a pre-emptive strike, as a reaction to the mere existence of a stronger power.
The official Federation decision to withhold the cure on the other hand came well after the prophets' intervention, and shortly before they won the conventional war.
mere existence of a stronger power.
I recall that the first encounter with the Dominion was very hostile on the part of the Dominion, including one of their ships suicide ramming a galaxy class. There's also the planet with the quickening virus.
edit: I'll try to write more about the Dominion, and about how unavoidable that war was when I get off work here and back home.
edit2: Alright so ever since the very first actual encounter with the dominion, and not one of the member races. They've been very hostile, which stems into how the founders think. They think in terms of self preservation, and bringing 'order' to a chaotic universe, by any means. Up to and including straight up eliminating anyone that doesn't conform to their will. And by the time Odo got poisoned, the dominion/founders were already doing a lot of stuff to sabotage the alpha quadrant powers.
And I should also point out that even if the Federation steered clear of the Dominion, the war was going to happen. All because Gul Dukat went and pretty much invited them to the alpha quadrant, and well because of how the founders saw the universe. What would honestly be the most realistic option any nation would do given that situation, against a force that literally sees them as something to be dominated or eliminated to bring their brand of order to the galaxy?
Is there a decent analysis of maquis somewhere? It seems like a CIA backed resistance movement based on the section 31 episodes but I can be convinced otherwise.
Unrelated but if anyone listened to the bad faith episode with Wyatt cenac making Briahna lose her mind over the federation being a military empire was amazing.
I have no clue about if there's an analysis but I'm sure there is.
I also didn't listen to that episode but I will check it out.
TOS was fun and campy and had a lot of cool firsts. TNG was pretty good too (it has a lot of shit episodes though).
I rewatched Voyager and DS9 over the last couple months. Both are good - Voyager is better than I remembered - but DS9 is probably the best out of all the pre-Enterprise treks. Never watched Enterprise or the ones you have to get a whole different streaming service for, and it never excited me enough to bother to pirate.
DS9 is probably the best out of all the series.
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