I know joking around about men being 90% awful is all fun and games but this post and screenshots of it have been going around twitter a lot and i need the fine people on chapo dot chat to tell me if this is based or cringe thank you
Btw i am a guy
imo "cringe" isn't a harsh enough word for it, it's actively evil
to expound on this:
while there are plenty of men who should die, they are by-and-large not the ones actually killing themselves. people commit suicide because of alienation. poor people commit suicide at much higher rates. LGBT people commit suicide at much higher rates. do you know what percentage of "male suicides" are actually trans women? me neither. nobody does or ever will
the true beneficiaries of patriarchy, the rich ghouls, men with actual power, are thriving, because the society was built for them. the patriarchy does not value the lives of ordinary men - it culls them for profit by sending them to war or working them to death. patriarchy under capitalism encourages men to die, so maybe you shouldn't
hey i'm one of those people that's stuck in the closet since my mom said she couldn't bear to live in the same apartment as me if I was taking estrogen. I'm trapped in acting like a guy until I can move out and thus still mentally have to identify as a guy to get through day to day life. On my worst days something like the tweet in the image would remind me I'll never be the girl I want to be and that I should just punch my ticket.
Approximately how many people like me would have to die before you realize this is a shitty take?
doubleposting but this shit pisses me off. up until recently i was getting really close to ending it. I've always had a firm limit in place of "well it would be too scarring for my family so i could never kill myself" but that was eroding for the the first time ever - even my previous suicide attempt was in the heat of the moment with no real reasoning, but this time I was actively beginning to feel over a sustained period of time that I could not go on, such that it was worth traumatizing my family to escape it. I wrote a detailed suicide note that I have actually yet to delete because I haven't resolved my feelings about it. The only thing that stopped it was getting a job after over a year of unemployment, finally the world telling me I'm not worthless, because in this society worth is productivity.
i look like a guy pretty much 24/7 due to my environment being unsupportive to transitioning, although hopefully that's changing soon. I've gotten better about decoupling my mentality from guydom, but I still struggle with it because I'm kinda trapped in being a guy for the moment, so things like this screenshot still affect me. Exactly how many people stuck in the closet being egged on to suicide is acceptable for these people? How many actual dudes who haven't hurt a fly would have to die before they start to question it? It's things like this that made vindictive suicidal ideation so satisfying. I wish I had the wherewithal to check out and have a dead man's (ha) switch send people like the person in the screenshot my family's info and let them know that they helped cause their suffering. See how flippant they are when blood's on their hands.
I'm sorry you have to go through this, and I'm sorry people in this thread are excusing it.
Well whenever women make jokes like this it's usually in response to something incredibly misogynistic going on in the zeitgeist sooo
edit: Oh real smooth OP. Here's the actual tweet
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And what's being quoted?
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So yes, this is not really such a strange thing to say at all.
https://xcancel.com/catzhugs/status/1811908057095393508
42k people being shitheads: alright time to tell 4 billion people they should die :)
With this added context, I have decided the tweet being discussed is right and every one of those 42k should die.
Under the JDWON regime we will crucify all moids (forcing them to eat soy patties instead of beef at WcDonalds (the W stands for Women))
the longhouse
Ah, so this is what the Dark Enlightenment is calling it instead of "The Cathedral" now
obvious video of workplace harassment, itself a product of girlboss (patriarchal) feminism
evidence that patriarchy good
Judge me if you must, but I think it goes too far. I’m a guy at the moment (probably an egg), but there are a lot of oppressed people who fall under the umbrella term "men"
Yes, men suck, but that’s largely because of the patriarchy and the system we live in. As an other poster said the guys killing themselves are not White trust fund guys.
Yes, men suck, but that’s largely because of the patriarchy and the system we live in.
Men created the patriarchy. Without the patriarchy there would be no men. Without men there would be no patriarchy. I'm not really sure what you mean by this. Under socialism, capitalists won't largely suck, but there wouldn't be capitalists. The individuals who would have been capitalists wouldn't largely suck, but they'd be completely different people at that point.
CW: Talk about Suicide
In short. Yes and men created capitalism. Yet a lot of men suffer under capitalism similar to the patriarchy. The men who profit the most from capitalism or patriarchy are most likely not the ones who kill themselves rather its often the most vulnerable and oppressed men.
The OP also felt misleading posting this comment in a vacuum.
I just consider jokes about suicide at least in bad taste having had a suicidal phase in the past. (I fully admit that I have a biased position due to that)
Not cool imo. Only time self harm can be remotely funny is when the specific person is a garbage human being. Even then still kinda sus. "Follow your leader" is really the only example I can think of that doesnt seem scummy.
As a man, I don't really think it's my place to police how the oppressed class voices their anger.
This isn't a cry of an oppressed people it's some dumbshit being a dick on the internet, so as an oppressed class I give you permission to say "wtf is wrong with you" at your pleasure.
If the original post isn't "the cry of an oppressed people," then the possible implications are either that women aren't oppressed or the person making the post isn't a woman. I was just trying to narrow it down.
Or option 3: not everything an oppressed person says is a an earnest cry stemming from their oppression
Since a lot of the pushback I'm getting is from women, I think I will.
I don't think it's right to act as if women are immune from criticism, especially if they are doing something socially harmful like encouraging people to kill themselves. this tweet is not directed at the oppressor, if she was telling Elon Musk to kill himself that would be one thing
while women are absolutely oppressed in our patriarchal society I think it's wrong and naive to view patriarchy as a system wherein all men are oppressing all women. it's a system wherein a small number of privileged men oppress the rest of us. rhetoric like this plays right into their game
edit because my post was admittedly too class-reductionist: I should note that poor / working-class men absolutely have privileges that women do not and men are often misogynistic and abusive regardless of class
this tweet is not directed at the oppressor,
This tweet was directed at a man saying women should be subjugated Saudi Arabia style
ah well I obviously had no way of knowing that
and it's still a shit response
Right, of course the correct response would be joining a militant women's organization seeking to overthrow the patriarchy. But barring that I suppose all one can do is post...
I can't defend the OP but whenever I see a screenshot of it posted it's in response to some blue check misogynist bullshit with 100 other fascists cheering in the replies and no one can make me empathize with them
Yeah this is the key takeaway. Saying this for no reason is wild and pretty antisocial. Saying it as a response to men doing something horrible is basically just an edgier version of saying "men are trash," which I believe we had settled the discourse on like 6 years ago.
Yes, it was in response to a man saying he's "amenable to the saudi arabian approach to womens rights"
Suicide is seen as a weakness, so I think that necessarily means that making fun of it is masculine coded and patriarchal.
It's the difference between:
Funny: If you feed white people spicy food they will die lmao
Not funny: I am actually glad that the opioid epidemic is happening! Please I want to see more overdoses in West Virginia!
The quality of men would climb sharply if we met target rates of war criminal suicide, assisted or otherwise
it's based if your are making fun of the suicide of the cringe and cringe if you are making fun of the suicide of the based
I think this is whatever unless it's being said IRL
Women don't have a rich history of online rhetoric causing them to become terrorists unlike men
Also, since this isn't a personal DM, the golden rule of you can always walk away from the computer holds true
Cringe... that's like advocating for boomers to die off, in my humble cis opinion
This, for example, obfuscates/hides the struggle against reactionary powers, especially the current economic system of Capitalism and its western imperialist vessels, in order to scapegoat one plausible group for another.
I'd rather we'd abolish the system and its direct, willing benefactors that incentivizes this awfulness, which can but not necessarily equally be nurtured in everyone, than scapegoat the obvious ones like men, baby boomers, corrupt politicians, or religious organizations (tho some obvious ones would, of course, include some of the latter)
This is dialectics
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