I mean obviously from the standpoint that he’s completely evil and he deserves it, yeah. But in terms of winning, with his death pence would be the nominee. Would pence have a higher or lower chance of winning? Cause I have no doubt pence would be as bad if not worse than trump. Obviously we have no control over whether he lives or dies, but if he does I’m curious as to what you guys think would happen when pence gets the nomination.
I can't believe people are speculating about the electoral implications rather than what happens when the God Emperor perishes to the China Plague in the minds of the fascists. Like, I don't wanna say "incredible racist violence", but I'm thinking it pretty fucking loud.
There are already like 25 different conspiracy theories. The biggest seem to be that the radical leftist antifa democrats intentionally put it on his microphone before the debate, and Xi Jinping made this virus that not only killed hundreds of thousands of Americans but their God Emperor too.
They will be demoralized and rudderless if their god emperor dies. It will be good
They'll keep him alive through a Q like conspiracy for a hundred years
Trump alive and disputing the elections seems like it could lead to violence more than Trump dying in the hospital
It would be a good thing because it's funny.
Any other consequence is not worth worrying about at this point.His death would be great if libs do the right thing, which they won't. They're just going to use his death to rehabilitate him and white wash 4 years of proto-fascist bullshit. As they do that, they're exposing their own hysteria as being manufactured so that will further alienate voters. It will also put us in danger when a real fascist shows up because everyone will think the opposition is just putting on a show again.
If instead of the civility bullshit, the messaging was that Trump and his cabinet are dying of their own hubris. That eventually we will all get it and Trump put the population at risk. If they interviewed secret service members who have vocalized already that Trump puts them at risk and doesn't get them tests when they go home to their families. If they play clips of Trump making fun of wearing masks and then clips of him being taken away to the hospital. If they do all that, then Dems would win handedly.
Instead Biden is going to withdraw all covid criticisms because somehow blaming Trump for his own hubris is victim blaming or something. They're probably going to end up doing some dumb shit like give Pence 3M of Joe's votes out of good faith. It's going to be a disaster.
Of course all this supposes you give a shit about electoralism and think Dems winning is a good thing. If you don't then the important thing is that Trump dying is very funny.
Pence has no chance of winning. Even if he had a slight chance, the logistics of starting a new ticket vs staying with the Trump ticket even though he's dead would fuck it up for him
Yeah people are saying the never trumpers will go to Pence but those people literally don't matter compared to the millions of hogs that would only ever come out to vote for their Daddy Trump.
Of course. Would it save America from inevitable collapse? Heck no.
I genuinely think there are a million upsides to today and the main one being how demoralizing this is to the fascist right without being simultaneously galvanizing and motivating for the liberals. Everyone worried about racist violence and sinophobia might be right on a small scale but I think they’ve massively under estimated the momentum that a fascist cult of personality like what’s built around trump loses when they lose their leader. Trumpism is still the last gasp of a dying party and movement no matter how scary and powerful it seems. Today a huge crack appeared in the facade. and what’s so great about it is that with the loss of RBG and now this when Biden wins the time from when the general populace Is done breathing a sigh of relief about trump being gone to when they start wondering when Material conditions will actually improve will be minimal. Biden and the democrats have no choice but to start building a positive case for themselves at this point and we all know they fucking can’t cause they’re offering nothing. Sure the Dems might have handled the start of the pandemic better but they have fucking nothing to bring any kind of prosperity or material improvement of conditions to the general public and with their main scapegoat either fucking bed ridden or dead they will have very little time to run from this before it becomes abundantly clear that they’re useless and deliberately ineffectual. Obviously none of it’s free And I could be entirely wrong but I think there’s huge opportunities here. Organize your workplaces and radicalize your friends and family!
The way I see it people are making the point that pence would win due to a combination of the sympathy vote and never trump republicans (who are few and far between) switching over. Then again, the upheaval from trump’s death could be jarring and cause the republicans to completely fumble it? Then again, again, trumps death could cause the dems to relax and assume victory pre emptively. Thoughts?
IMO Pence would call for "unity" and the media and the Dems would absolutely buy it.
pence would be worse. the best thing about trump is that his foreign policy is dictated by his utter incompetence. biden would be worse in that regard.
The question isn’t ‘which candidate is worse’, but rather ‘what course of events will cause the most disruption’.
Trump dying right as the most awful people in the world managed to get his ear would be incredibly disruptive. Give me Biden or Pence for a bit. Turf them out ASAP, too.
Keep the beast confused.
