https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/sep/25/netflix-liu-cixin-adaptation-uighur-comments-the-three-body-problem
this is definitely the most important thing happening.
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/sep/25/netflix-liu-cixin-adaptation-uighur-comments-the-three-body-problem
this is definitely the most important thing happening.
How is that Islamophobic? He didn't even say "Muslim" or "Islam". And there have literally been terrorist attacks in China carried out by the separatist groups including ones with knives. That's what people don't get. This isn't America's War on Terror, where there was no actual threat in the United States and which the US didn't solve at all in the Middle East. There is actual domestic terrorism in China. This would be more akin to white supremacist attacks in the US and realizing that they are carried out by a certain group of disaffected people, and providing that demographic job opportunities.
omg some uyghurs are using knives? well that certainly justifies mass violence against an ethnic and religious minority.
(also, smiling at the though of McNamara explaining to American dissenters that Americans were bringing "domestic job opportunities" to the North Vietnamese )
China is not committing "mass violence against an ethnic and religions minority". You're just regurgitating propaganda from blatantly dubious sources now.
ah yes, the violence is only limited to "separatist groups" who have it coming.
imperialism with a chinese face.
Again, what 'violence'?
When you definitively know what words mean.
right imperialism and violence is what the west does, but when the "correct" chinese groups do it, it's proper assimilation or out of the movie "Hero" or something.
You keep saying that word. Is that what kids are calling learning Mandarin these days?
Funny that apparently just one out of the many Muslim minorities in the PRC is being subjected to this devious 'assimilation' process. Almost as if Islam is not the problem, but radical ideas are.
Arguing through films? I knew you were a lib.
ah, a cultural allusion, clearly the fuzzy thinking of a liberal mind lol.
dork.
The people who have to go to the vocational schools are people who participated in separatist activities, up to and including actual terrorism. Western media has created a lie (like they often do) that every Uighur in Xinjiang is now in a concentration camp (lol). Completely baseless and incomprehensible.
again, would appreciate links.
It is really on the media outlets to actually provide evidence for their claims, but I know what you're asking is to learn about the opposing left-wing view. I never have a good summary link on hand but I found this one: https://thecommunists.org/2019/12/31/news/blatant-hypocrisy-usa-lies-about-china-uighur-muslims/
Ultimately western propagandists can come up with new lies all the time that require reading to debunk, but you can usually tell how flimsy they are because they cite no real evidence other than western authorities, or rely on "research" from people like Adrian Zenz.
appreciate it, thanks.
I love the fact you were so enthusiastically arguing about this without apparently knowing the first thing about it beyond sensationalist western headlines.
my guy, i'm "enthusiastically" arguing the simple point that the PRC should be held to the same standard as the west.
I'm getting cutting rebuttals in this thread: that islam is an existential threat (and thus the west and PRC are justified in their actions) (lol); that the PRC's invasive approach is paternal and for the Uighers' benefit -- to provide jobs (uh, an empty justification that could be leveraged by any "imperial power"); that Xianjing is properly within Chinese/PRC's hegemonic sphere (complete question-begging nonsense).
feel free to give me better facts, showing that the PRC's alleged cruelties are fabrications (blobjim endeavored to so, respectfully), but please spare me your unearned, patronizing comments and these sorts of ludicrous, cringe-inducing arguments.
Not sure if you saw it already but I made a post in c/sino that you might be interested in: https://hexbear.net/post/33959
Of course this was just from a single school during a limited time tour but it reinforces the impression that I got from looking into this issue which is that the only part that I find concerning is that the criteria for selecting people to attend the camps seems rather arbitrary.
Also the World Bank, which had been funding some of these camps conducted their own investigation and released this statement about them saying they didn't find anything that substantiates the allegations: https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/statement/2019/11/11/world-bank-statement-on-review-of-project-in-xinjiang-china
Where?
Begone, lib.
fuck off
except Vietnam is not even close to US sphere of influence & Xinjiang is literally within PRC sovereign territory
PRC recognizes all of these groups with special designation. You can parrot jingoist disinformation about a situation you've no personal experience with, or you can admit & attend specifically to the terrible ways the West (North & South America especially) treat indigenous there. Canada & US have never given these groups outreach or uplift & leave them to flounder in marginal scrubland
Yet you appear to live in this fantasy where Islamic fundamentalism & zealotry are only conceivable threats to “Western society”…
You think PRC deserves terrorist attacks, & that the global war on terror & gitmo & extrajudicial rendition by America are in this other category.
if you want to link me better facts (against the western narrative/propaganda), feel free, but i'm absolutely not sympathetic to this argument.
in no way am i saying that, bud. clearly islamic fundamentalism is not a serious threat to the west, it's a sad pretext for western hegemony and incursion. the capitalist west shouldn't do it; nor should the PRC.
https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1160094.shtml this is from last year & seems to indicate things are improving from the perspective of government openness & goodwill
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-47191952 this is also from last year and maybe passes the sniff-test for you here for "East vs. West media bias" maybe not idgaf
https://www.voanews.com/east-asia-pacific/china-muslims-work-change-perceptions-after-knife-attacks this is VOA, so it's definitely tripe, but even it still was giving somewhat of an even-handed & in-depth perspective on the issues at play here in the Obama era
https://thediplomat.com/2014/10/chinese-salafism-and-the-saudi-connection/ this too gives nuance and offers wider connections to the general state of Islam globally. But it leaves out key connections between the "openness" reforms of Deng's era & how these have always led to potentially dangerous Western & even extreme theocratic influences into the country
Except Islamic Fundamentalism is very much a threat to the PRC because it stems from within its own borders—The slew of terrorist attacks carried out in the Xianjing region can attest to that. The two are not comparable.
uh, physical/territorial proximity is definitely not why there is an obvious salient comparison between the two.
when france annexes/colonially appropriates algeria, algerian separatists come from "within" france. we're right to support the algerians, and condemn the french. not sure why Uigher separatists shouldn't be afforded the same solidarity and consideration as we would have with the algerians .
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don't delete, i happy to hear you out
you don't seem happy