https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/sep/25/netflix-liu-cixin-adaptation-uighur-comments-the-three-body-problem

this is definitely the most important thing happening.

  • blobjim [he/him]
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    China is not committing "mass violence against an ethnic and religions minority". You're just regurgitating propaganda from blatantly dubious sources now.

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      ah yes, the violence is only limited to "separatist groups" who have it coming.

      imperialism with a chinese face.

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        Again, what 'violence'?

        Imperialism

        When you definitively know what words mean.

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          right imperialism and violence is what the west does, but when the "correct" chinese groups do it, it's proper assimilation or out of the movie "Hero" or something.

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            imperialism

            You keep saying that word. Is that what kids are calling learning Mandarin these days?

            assimilation

            Funny that apparently just one out of the many Muslim minorities in the PRC is being subjected to this devious 'assimilation' process. Almost as if Islam is not the problem, but radical ideas are.

            out of the movie “Hero” or something

            Arguing through films? I knew you were a lib.

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        The people who have to go to the vocational schools are people who participated in separatist activities, up to and including actual terrorism. Western media has created a lie (like they often do) that every Uighur in Xinjiang is now in a concentration camp (lol). Completely baseless and incomprehensible.

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            It is really on the media outlets to actually provide evidence for their claims, but I know what you're asking is to learn about the opposing left-wing view. I never have a good summary link on hand but I found this one: https://thecommunists.org/2019/12/31/news/blatant-hypocrisy-usa-lies-about-china-uighur-muslims/

            Ultimately western propagandists can come up with new lies all the time that require reading to debunk, but you can usually tell how flimsy they are because they cite no real evidence other than western authorities, or rely on "research" from people like Adrian Zenz.

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                I love the fact you were so enthusiastically arguing about this without apparently knowing the first thing about it beyond sensationalist western headlines.

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                  my guy, i'm "enthusiastically" arguing the simple point that the PRC should be held to the same standard as the west.

                  I'm getting cutting rebuttals in this thread: that islam is an existential threat (and thus the west and PRC are justified in their actions) (lol); that the PRC's invasive approach is paternal and for the Uighers' benefit -- to provide jobs (uh, an empty justification that could be leveraged by any "imperial power"); that Xianjing is properly within Chinese/PRC's hegemonic sphere (complete question-begging nonsense).

                  feel free to give me better facts, showing that the PRC's alleged cruelties are fabrications (blobjim endeavored to so, respectfully), but please spare me your unearned, patronizing comments and these sorts of ludicrous, cringe-inducing arguments.

                  • Yun [he/him]
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                    Not sure if you saw it already but I made a post in c/sino that you might be interested in: https://hexbear.net/post/33959

                    Of course this was just from a single school during a limited time tour but it reinforces the impression that I got from looking into this issue which is that the only part that I find concerning is that the criteria for selecting people to attend the camps seems rather arbitrary.

                    Also the World Bank, which had been funding some of these camps conducted their own investigation and released this statement about them saying they didn't find anything that substantiates the allegations: https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/statement/2019/11/11/world-bank-statement-on-review-of-project-in-xinjiang-china