https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/sep/25/netflix-liu-cixin-adaptation-uighur-comments-the-three-body-problem
this is definitely the most important thing happening.
D&D from Game of Thrones were signed on to make it.
I'd rather see the project aborted than see their take on the China.
hahahaha, I wasn't planning on watching it in any case but yeah, hopefully it's never made
No they're not, they're really fucking stupid. Listen to an interview with them, they think they are geniuses. All of the main actors hated them.
These books are finished. Problem is the fact they will have to deal with a story involving China which I don't trust them with.
Yea, it also shows why the Aegon story was so necessary
George really works through the story
Netflix killing the project will almost certainly result in a Chinese production house picking it up.
After Wandering Earth, I have a lot of faith that they'll do it right.
In a letter to Netflix, the senators said they had “significant concerns with Netflix’s decision to do business with an individual who is parroting dangerous CCP propaganda”.
Said dangerous CCP propaganda:
“Would you rather that they be hacking away at bodies at train stations and schools in terrorist attacks? If anything, the government is helping their economy and trying to lift them out of poverty,” Liu said, adding: “If you were to loosen up the country a bit, the consequences would be terrifying.”
Would you rather that they be hacking away at bodies at train stations and schools in terrorist attacks? If anything, the government is helping their economy and trying to lift them out of poverty,” Liu said, adding: “If you were to loosen up the country a bit, the consequences would be terrifying.
As long as it happened in China, they would most definitively like that, yes.
to them muslims are good if they bomb official US enemies and bad if they do literally anything else
wait, did requiring engravings of knives purchased in these areas start before or after the fundamentalist sectarianism?
Hui Muslims also do not completely escape this terrifying inculcation. Which isn't to say it's some inherent feature of Islam, obviously not if these groups have co-existed for so long, but we can't ignore the extent to which a recent narrative of "cultural genocide" gets slathered on these stories.
Hui Muslims are socio-linguistically & historically of Chinese descent. And they are also known to have Salafist & extreme sectarian groups moving in and out of these areas in Xinjiang. Hui muslims have been implicated in Heroin rings & moving those drugs to those Uyghur areas.
To what extent is Daesh and its outgrowths an encouragement for these groups elsewhere & why was the reporter A. Vltchek found dead under suspicious circumstances in Turkey?
Is this global nexus of oil money & militant funding & state surveillance not just a way to encircle China from Central Asia?
education & economic development are not law enforcement issues in the same way as the United States' War on Drugs & racist for-profit prison industry.
you can parse the lasting social benefits & fundamental uplifting aim of one over the other, i am sure of this.
and you're right from one perspective about Turkey, I think, but this topic just gets more interesting & complex the less we accept the "china bad" line.
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/china-releases-video-of-uighur-musician-disputing-reported-death
the way news & sensationalism & outright lies blend so perfectly into jingoism can't be ignored. none of us are immune to propaganda, but I think we can comb through most of these claims about PRC and find very little real or irrefutable evidence.
Wait, what's the solution outside of economically investing in these areas and attempting to bring these far-flung & socially disparate groups into the fold of larger PRC mainstream cultural norms?
I think you discount the extent to which these insurgencies have their origins in Western & Saudi-influenced meddling
oh right, you know the solution lol... better let Beijing know dude!
cite successful General Petraeus' manual some more
tell us about how thoughtfully the counterinsurgency in Iraq and the Levant turned out
https://www.cnn.com/2015/09/01/politics/david-petraeus-al-qaeda-isis-nusra/
Cite Gen. Petraeus' maniacal worldview some more. That's certainly going to lead to less chaos & more goodwill between these groups
oh right, the only reality is the Western imperialist one lmfao
you have nothing to cite nor any information to actually engage with, i get it
"china bad"... "gen. petraeus good", you've already outlined your worldview lmfao
except you're still playing, only without any actual information or cited sources...
come with actual information and not just your kneejerk reactions from a Western Islamophobic "White Man's Burden" nonsense perspective
you haven't cited shit
you are LARPing
oh now it's my tone, and not your bullshit irrelevant opinions on something you obviously have no grounding in lmfao
you literally said that General Petraeus was right.... that's nonsense
you're the one making shit up.
Petraeus was wrong, and he was his own worst enemy in other ways.
but the key point is that you think America's global War on Terror is applicable to Xinjiang, and again that's nonsense
lol, "OH NO YOU'RE NAME-CALLING NOW LET ME MAKE THIS SOME PERSONAL PISSING MATCH & WHINE SOME MORE ABOUT CIVILITY" you're a clown
your baseless claims are still baseless
lmfao, yes I circle over idiotic white Western chauvinist nonsense and feed on the rot... too bad you left this stinking carcass of a baizuo opinion on here for me to dismiss
you literally said that General Petraeus' manual and American attempts to understand & move against Viet Minh's resistance are applicable for PRC in Xinjiang
that is hot garbage
now you're being unfairly targeted just because you hold the divinely appointed opinion that American approaches to counterinsurgency will lead the Uyghurs to freedom : ( poor bb
likewise
keep recommending that PRC use American tactics from Vietnam & the Iraq Wars on Xinjiang. That's the biggest brain'd take I've seen all week
Get actual sources & citations and maybe a grounding in a paradigm other than Western imperialist determinism
seems like you're still playing and not actually citing information or sources. Instead you insist on blaming the messenger for calling your bird-brain opinions out
no self-criticism from you at all, pretty sad
I am criticizing your opinions, not you personally. This is where you're getting mired
you still don't get that your opinions are incorrect and would actually be detrimental if applied in Xinjiang
you don't care about the truth of Salafist extremism, and actually said that US-imperialist chaos that created ISIS was a good thing "until Syria" happened or whatever
American stupidity created ISIS & stoked Sunni-Shia sectarianism. If you want something similar to play out in Uyghur areas, you're being facetious
you haven't argued anything, and instead of engaging in good-faith with the topic, you retreat to this whinging tone-policing bullshit. Instead of treating your own position as fallable and accept new evidence contrary to your own opinions, you revert to a personal pissing contest while pearl-clutching about civility or something silly
then you say you are "done" or "through" or that you're not going to play lol. then you respond again with the same baseless whining without any sources or argumentation
sounds like you don't actually care about Uyghurs or the connections between Western imperialism & the rise of Islamic fundamentalism. you just want to parrot anti-PRC narratives on a leftist platform while pretending that it isn't rooted in hypocritical Western chauvinism
oh right, now you're abused because your opinions are wrong lmfao
i just want you to have better opinions on geopolitics & PRC, bubba.
could not care less what you think about others personally, that's your issue
you haven't convinced anyone of anything... not even yourself lol. I'm still here wondering when you're actually going to be "done" or "through" or to stop "playing"
but I doubt you'll actually engage in self-criticism
Yeah he definitely could have worded it better. That being said, it seems to me the author's point wasn't to label all Uyghurs being detained as terrorists but to point out that Xinjiang actually did have a serious terrorism problem. The "hacking away at bodies at train stations" references events that have actually happened: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-xinjiang-blast-idUSBREA3T0HX20140430
How is that Islamophobic? He didn't even say "Muslim" or "Islam". And there have literally been terrorist attacks in China carried out by the separatist groups including ones with knives. That's what people don't get. This isn't America's War on Terror, where there was no actual threat in the United States and which the US didn't solve at all in the Middle East. There is actual domestic terrorism in China. This would be more akin to white supremacist attacks in the US and realizing that they are carried out by a certain group of disaffected people, and providing that demographic job opportunities.
omg some uyghurs are using knives? well that certainly justifies mass violence against an ethnic and religious minority.
(also, smiling at the though of McNamara explaining to American dissenters that Americans were bringing "domestic job opportunities" to the North Vietnamese )
China is not committing "mass violence against an ethnic and religions minority". You're just regurgitating propaganda from blatantly dubious sources now.
ah yes, the violence is only limited to "separatist groups" who have it coming.
imperialism with a chinese face.
Again, what 'violence'?
Imperialism
When you definitively know what words mean.
right imperialism and violence is what the west does, but when the "correct" chinese groups do it, it's proper assimilation or out of the movie "Hero" or something.
imperialism
You keep saying that word. Is that what kids are calling learning Mandarin these days?
assimilation
Funny that apparently just one out of the many Muslim minorities in the PRC is being subjected to this devious 'assimilation' process. Almost as if Islam is not the problem, but radical ideas are.
out of the movie “Hero” or something
Arguing through films? I knew you were a lib.
ah, a cultural allusion, clearly the fuzzy thinking of a liberal mind lol.
dork.
The people who have to go to the vocational schools are people who participated in separatist activities, up to and including actual terrorism. Western media has created a lie (like they often do) that every Uighur in Xinjiang is now in a concentration camp (lol). Completely baseless and incomprehensible.
It is really on the media outlets to actually provide evidence for their claims, but I know what you're asking is to learn about the opposing left-wing view. I never have a good summary link on hand but I found this one: https://thecommunists.org/2019/12/31/news/blatant-hypocrisy-usa-lies-about-china-uighur-muslims/
Ultimately western propagandists can come up with new lies all the time that require reading to debunk, but you can usually tell how flimsy they are because they cite no real evidence other than western authorities, or rely on "research" from people like Adrian Zenz.
I love the fact you were so enthusiastically arguing about this without apparently knowing the first thing about it beyond sensationalist western headlines.
my guy, i'm "enthusiastically" arguing the simple point that the PRC should be held to the same standard as the west.
I'm getting cutting rebuttals in this thread: that islam is an existential threat (and thus the west and PRC are justified in their actions) (lol); that the PRC's invasive approach is paternal and for the Uighers' benefit -- to provide jobs (uh, an empty justification that could be leveraged by any "imperial power"); that Xianjing is properly within Chinese/PRC's hegemonic sphere (complete question-begging nonsense).
feel free to give me better facts, showing that the PRC's alleged cruelties are fabrications (blobjim endeavored to so, respectfully), but please spare me your unearned, patronizing comments and these sorts of ludicrous, cringe-inducing arguments.
Not sure if you saw it already but I made a post in c/sino that you might be interested in: https://hexbear.net/post/33959
Of course this was just from a single school during a limited time tour but it reinforces the impression that I got from looking into this issue which is that the only part that I find concerning is that the criteria for selecting people to attend the camps seems rather arbitrary.
Also the World Bank, which had been funding some of these camps conducted their own investigation and released this statement about them saying they didn't find anything that substantiates the allegations: https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/statement/2019/11/11/world-bank-statement-on-review-of-project-in-xinjiang-china
mass violence against an ethnic and religious minority
Where?
Begone, lib.
except Vietnam is not even close to US sphere of influence & Xinjiang is literally within PRC sovereign territory
PRC recognizes all of these groups with special designation. You can parrot jingoist disinformation about a situation you've no personal experience with, or you can admit & attend specifically to the terrible ways the West (North & South America especially) treat indigenous there. Canada & US have never given these groups outreach or uplift & leave them to flounder in marginal scrubland
Yet you appear to live in this fantasy where Islamic fundamentalism & zealotry are only conceivable threats to “Western society”…
You think PRC deserves terrorist attacks, & that the global war on terror & gitmo & extrajudicial rendition by America are in this other category.
if you want to link me better facts (against the western narrative/propaganda), feel free, but i'm absolutely not sympathetic to this argument.
Yet you appear to live in this fantasy where Islamic fundamentalism & zealotry are only conceivable threats to “Western society”…
You think PRC deserves terrorist attacks, & that the global war on terror & gitmo & extrajudicial rendition by America are in this other category.
in no way am i saying that, bud. clearly islamic fundamentalism is not a serious threat to the west, it's a sad pretext for western hegemony and incursion. the capitalist west shouldn't do it; nor should the PRC.
https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1160094.shtml this is from last year & seems to indicate things are improving from the perspective of government openness & goodwill
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-47191952 this is also from last year and maybe passes the sniff-test for you here for "East vs. West media bias" maybe not idgaf
https://www.voanews.com/east-asia-pacific/china-muslims-work-change-perceptions-after-knife-attacks this is VOA, so it's definitely tripe, but even it still was giving somewhat of an even-handed & in-depth perspective on the issues at play here in the Obama era
https://thediplomat.com/2014/10/chinese-salafism-and-the-saudi-connection/ this too gives nuance and offers wider connections to the general state of Islam globally. But it leaves out key connections between the "openness" reforms of Deng's era & how these have always led to potentially dangerous Western & even extreme theocratic influences into the country
Except Islamic Fundamentalism is very much a threat to the PRC because it stems from within its own borders—The slew of terrorist attacks carried out in the Xianjing region can attest to that. The two are not comparable.
uh, physical/territorial proximity is definitely not why there is an obvious salient comparison between the two.
when france annexes/colonially appropriates algeria, algerian separatists come from "within" france. we're right to support the algerians, and condemn the french. not sure why Uigher separatists shouldn't be afforded the same solidarity and consideration as we would have with the algerians .
Man, the Guardian are really smashing that anti-china narrative recently. Not sure what it's like in other parts of the world, but guardian Aus has an entire 'Fight For Hong Kong' section as well as a million anti China think pieces a day.
