noticing it more and more. i like to play retro video games but i don't actually do it that often. 5 years or so ago i got a SNES mini and a playstation classic and one of those anbernac handhelds in the span of a year or two, so I was spending a lot of time reading lists online of games people thought were notable, underrated, good games for genre newbies, etc.

i have been playing games again recently so i have again been looking up games and the difference in content you get now is astounding. five years ago if you searched something like "best nes RPGs" or "obscure ps1 games" you would find lovingly handcrafted lists and articles by people who were passionate about it and wanted to share, make readers laugh, or ignite interest in something. Now there's like 20 different sites that each have ai generated "best (genre) games for (system)" lists for every system and genre combination possible, with generic game descriptions, list orders likely cribbed from one of those ranking sites, and nonsensical filler copy ("every RPG enthusiast loves the N64" type words just mashed together)

photographs are also no fun to take or look at anymore, accelerated by new ai image generation but honestly ever since smartphone cameras started automatically editing the shot out of your picture before it even showed it to you.

when i was a kid i wanted to be an author, glad i just got depressed and useless and never pursued it, considering what that space looks like today.

internet was a mistake

  • TheLastHero [none/use name]
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    7 hours ago

    total, automated, enshittifcation. Truly the glorious innovation humanity needed now more than ever.

  • Awoo [she/her]
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    10 hours ago

    The labour theory of value applies to AI slop.

    Nobody wants to use their time on something that someone else wouldn't use their time creating. People unconsciously value it based on the time and skill involved in creating it which is fundamentally fuck all. This is why there has been a very clear and obvious negative trend towards AI over time. Even if the AI became magically good people would still value it as slop.

  • Owl [he/him]
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    12 hours ago

    I like the rankings at snesrankings.com. I disagree to some extent or another with basically all of his takes, but I really appreciate that it's just one guy who actually played every last one of the things, and it's not like he's ever so far off that, if you started playing from #1 down, I'd ever be like "oh no don't play that play this other game."

    • Thordros [he/him, comrade/them]
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      12 hours ago

      Thank you for sharing that site. I disagree with the order of some of the rankings, but I won't argue that every single game in that top 25 is a masterpiece.

      Except for Legend of the Mystical Ninja. What the hell? That game stinks.

      • Owl [he/him]
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        11 hours ago

        I haven't actually played Legend Of The Mystical Ninja, but I have seen it appear near the top of many lists, where not a single one of those lists has done anything to convince me to actually try it.

        • Thordros [he/him, comrade/them]
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          3 hours ago

          I am 100% convinced that game is just a bit that's been going on for 30 years, and nobody has actually played it.

    • UlyssesT [he/him]
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      12 hours ago

      Now I'm thinking of Weird Video Games where the guy listed a whole lot of games in a joking Top 1000 list that ended with a sudden shouting of "RYYYYYGAAAAAAAR!"

  • GeorgeZBush [he/him]
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    14 hours ago

    it

    fucking

    SUCKS

    Like I know people have memed that AI conversation from Metal Gear Solid 2 to death, but my god is it more relevant than ever. Just this unending churn of junk. There is no humanity left online. There's not much in the real world either. Fuck AI.

    • sexywheat [none/use name]
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      6 hours ago

      AI conversation from Metal Gear Solid 2

      I must have missed this. Could you link me

    • UlyssesT [he/him]
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      14 hours ago

      Like I know people have memed that AI conversation from Metal Gear Solid 2 to death, but my god is it more relevant than ever. Just this unending churn of junk. There is no humanity left online. There's not much in the real world either. Fuck AI.

      It's so incredibly bleak; it is accelerating climate collapse and all the while it's being cheered on by proselytizers for numerous selfish and misanthropic reasons, including here.

      • Hexboare [they/them]
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        11 hours ago

        it is accelerating climate collapse

        The contribution is pretty marginal. Still useless though.

        • UlyssesT [he/him]
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          10 hours ago

          https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-024-00478-x

          https://www.technologyreview.com/2023/12/05/1084417/ais-carbon-footprint-is-bigger-than-you-think/

          Doesn't seem that marginal to me, especially when those margins still affect the overall outcome and accelerate the worsening of environmental conditions.

          • Hexboare [they/them]
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            8 hours ago

            With the exception of the cited pre-print on water usage, those article don't seem to quantify the actual use.

            Estimated global data centre electricity consumption in 2022 was 240-340 TWh, or around 1-1.3% of global final electricity demand. This excludes energy used for cryptocurrency mining, which was estimated to be around 110 TWh in 2022, accounting for 0.4% of annual global electricity demand.

            The water usage is high from including scope-2 water withdrawal and consumption, which is the water usage of power plants used to generate electricity and not primary data centre cooling. Looking only at primary cooling, Google used 25 gigalitres in 2022 - for comparison, Arizona uses 8,600 gigalitres of water a year.

            A couple percent is marginal - if the average temperature increase is 4.3 degrees C or 4.28 degrees C in 2100, it doesn't really impact the outcome.

            I think the more substantive impact is the billions in resources (financial, material and labour) that are being dumped into yet another bazinga scheme instead of things we know work and will help slow climate change.

            • UlyssesT [he/him]
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              8 hours ago

              How's this? Keep in mind the corpos pushing this shit are trying to keep the actual costs to themselves.

              https://www.vox.com/climate/2024/3/28/24111721/climate-ai-tech-energy-demand-rising

              • Hexboare [they/them]
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                8 hours ago

                It could become less marginal in the future, but I don't know how much juice is left to be squeezed out of AI hype.

                Oh well, another $100 billion into GPUs and data centres and maybe they'll find something else to fuel the hype train for a bit longer.

                • UlyssesT [he/him]
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                  8 hours ago

                  Microsoft seems to have some high high hype hopes:

                  https://techcrunch.com/2024/09/20/microsoft-taps-three-mile-island-nuclear-plant-to-power-ai/

                  And of course King Bazinga keeps trying to expand his private stake in his mirror, mirror, on the wall:

                  https://www.reuters.com/business/environment/musks-xai-operating-gas-turbines-without-permits-data-center-environmental-group-2024-08-28/

  • mbt2402 [none/use name]
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    15 hours ago

    it seems like every time i search for anything it comes up with a million ai-generated wordpress pages with the same basic structure. obviously being churned out as someone's "passive income" scheme. I wonder if there is a search engine with a way to filter out all wordpress sites...

    • UlyssesT [he/him]
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      15 hours ago

      Good luck finding a recipe on the internet without sifting through mountains of SEO-focused treat printed imaginary stories about the heart-warming and life-changing experiences that lead up to the recipe.

        • GrouchyGrouse [he/him]
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          12 hours ago

          I love to get my STANDARD CITIZEN ISSUE spatula and dollop STANDARD CITIZEN ISSUE sauce on top of my STANDARD CITIZEN ISSUE pasta.

          Seriously fuck Orwell with his boring monochrome dystopia bullshit. The real shit is festooned with bright colors and committee-approved names and fake anecdotes and that makes it even more haunting. All of the iron-heeled liberty crushing with gaudy infantalizing Stepford wives aesthetics. The people responsible should all be blindfolded and shot.

    • hexaflexagonbear [he/him]
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      14 hours ago

      This predates LLMs and the current AI fad, but yeah it's a pain in the ass. I think they've gotten worse because at least 10-15 years ago when you searched "X release date" the actual real release date was sandwiched somewhere in the autogenerated garbage.

  • blame [they/them]
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    14 hours ago

    i dont think this type of seo blog spam is particularly novel, its been a problem for probably 20 years. It’s easier to do now that you dont have to hire a bunch of people in the phillippines to write these articles though.

  • UlyssesT [he/him]
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    15 hours ago

    when i was a kid i wanted to be an author, glad i just got depressed and useless and never pursued it, considering what that space looks like today.

    I take some bittersweet satisfaction of completing my first novel trilogy just before the treat printer hype wave started. Maybe things written before the treat printer age will be like old boat steel left deep underwater that's valued for its lack of irradiation because it was manufactured before the atomic age.

  • SorosFootSoldier [he/him, they/them]
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    15 hours ago

    That reminds me of how AI art is so samey looking. It's like everyone uses the same prompts and the same filters. I get that it was already creatively bankrupt but come on you have the power of the entire internet.

    • Outdoor_Catgirl [she/her, they/them]
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      10 hours ago

      It's because most people using image generation aren't artistically minded, and aren't putting in effort to get a result better than "close enough" (and corporate ai tools have built-in prompts to give things the "ai look.") If you run an image generator locally you have more control over the output, with loras or whatever.

    • UlyssesT [he/him]
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      15 hours ago

      It can be used as a tool by artists to streamline mundane and repetitive tasks, but the most common and widespread uses really are just endlessly lazy and repetitive pandering slop (prompts like "yet another cyberpunkerino waifu" done millions of times over judging by the largest LLM communities) on such a wide scale and with such massive data centers dedicated to churning it out that it is already an environmental disaster.

      • hexaflexagonbear [he/him]
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        14 hours ago

        I feel like even when/if it gets into art workflow, it'll eventually be like what procedural generation was for video games. The flaws would just be too obvious and people would end up steering away unless even the "AI" component is bespoke and human crafted. I'm thinking of how the procedural generation if D2 was carefully tweaked so there was some level design consistency.

        • UlyssesT [he/him]
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          14 hours ago

          I feel like even when/if it gets into art workflow, it'll eventually be like what procedural generation was for video games. The flaws would just be too obvious and people would end up steering away unless even the "AI" component is bespoke and human crafted. I'm thinking of how the procedural generation if D2 was carefully tweaked so there was some level design consistency.

          More often than not, we'd have lazy garbage like Starfield, except treat printer edition.

          • ChestRockwell [comrade/them, any]
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            11 hours ago

            Yeah sadly you won't get no man's sky, where they work to fix what is broken about the process.

            Btw, I feel like the NMS arc is very similar to what ppl will have to do w AI slop. Like, you could take a prompt but then the amount of work to make it good is going to be massive.

            Credit to those devs tho, they've really delivered (years later) a great space experience

  • AndJusticeForAll [none/use name]
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    14 hours ago

    https://retro-sanctuary.com/Top%20Games%20Main.html has some good top 100 lists. They have some left-field picks too, which I always appreciated.