"The work we (US) have done has resulted in Israeli actions that were very much prompted by and a result of US advocacy for what needs to happen in the region."

This is completely the opposite of what she is supposed to say, she is saying that Israel is not uncontrollable, but is following US orders.

  • InevitableSwing [none/use name]
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    2 months ago

    "The work we (US) have done has resulted..."

    When she doesn't want to answer a question - she always makes me think she's trying and failing to do an Obama impression. He was really a genius at seeming like he answered questions when in fact he gave close to non-answers. He padded his comments with so many mellifluous clauses he talked for an extra ~20+ seconds but it was all filler. It's extremely hard to pull off. I certainly couldn't do that shit. She can never manage it either and she ends up sounding like a foolish person trying very hard to sound smart.

      • InevitableSwing [none/use name]
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        2 months ago

        I thought I could find a typical example within 5 minutes. It took longer. I needed a year so I searched for obama press conference transcript 2009. This exchange isn't some fantastic example. But I guess that's best. It's the typical way he'd go on and on without saying much. In this case the summary is "Some people prefer Plan 1 (the republicans). Others prefer Plan 2 (the few democrats to the left of me). Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah... I'm going to do a shitty compromise."

        There have been criticisms from a bunch of different directions about this bill, so let me just address a few of them. Some of the criticisms really are with the basic idea that government should intervene at all in this moment of crisis. Now, you have some people, very sincere, who philosophically just think the government has no business interfering in the marketplace. And in fact there are several who've suggested that FDR was wrong to intervene back in the New Deal. They're fighting battles that I thought were resolved a pretty long time ago.

        Most economists, almost unanimously, recognize that even if philosophically you're wary of government intervening in the economy, when you have the kind of problem we have right now — what started on Wall Street goes to Main Street, suddenly businesses can't get credit, they start carrying back their investment, they start laying off workers, workers start pulling back in terms of spending — when you have that situation, that government is an important element of introducing some additional demand into the economy. We stand to lose about $1 trillion worth of demand this year and another trillion next year. And what that means is you've got this gaping hole in the economy.

        It's a press conference and all presidents prattle on to greatly reduce the number of questions. But usually it's a form of word salad that sounds like a middle school kid giving a book report on a book he didn't actually read. If you want to see his entire answer to the first question that he answered...

        Transcript: Obama's Press Conference 2009/02/09 : NPR

        [...]

        Thank you, Mr. President. Earlier today in Indiana, you said something striking. You said that this nation could end up in a crisis without action that we would be unable to reverse. Can you talk about what you know or what you're hearing that would lead you to say that our recession might be permanent, when others in our history have not? And do you think that you risk losing some credibility or even talking down the economy by using dire language like that?

        No, no, no, no — I think that what I've said is what other economists have said across the political spectrum, which is that if you delay acting on an economy of this severity, then you potentially create a negative spiral that becomes much more difficult for us to get out of. We saw this happen in Japan in the 1990s, where they did not act boldly and swiftly enough, and as a consequence they suffered what was called the "lost decade," where essentially for the entire '90s they did not see any significant economic growth.

        So what I'm trying to underscore is what the people in Elkhart already understand: that this is not your ordinary, run-of-the-mill recession. We are going through the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression. We've lost now 3.6 million jobs, but what's perhaps even more disturbing is that almost half of that job loss has taken place over the last three months, which means that the problems are accelerating instead of getting better.

        Now, what I said in Elkhart today is what I repeat this evening, which is, I'm absolutely confident that we can solve this problem, but it's going to require us to take some significant, important steps.

        Step No. 1: We have to pass an economic recovery and reinvestment plan. And we've made progress. There was a vote this evening that moved the process forward in the Senate. We already have a House bill that's passed. I'm hoping over the next several days that the House and the Senate can reconcile their differences and get that bill on my desk.

        There have been criticisms from a bunch of different directions about this bill, so let me just address a few of them. Some of the criticisms really are with the basic idea that government should intervene at all in this moment of crisis. Now, you have some people, very sincere, who philosophically just think the government has no business interfering in the marketplace. And in fact there are several who've suggested that FDR was wrong to intervene back in the New Deal. They're fighting battles that I thought were resolved a pretty long time ago.

        Most economists, almost unanimously, recognize that even if philosophically you're wary of government intervening in the economy, when you have the kind of problem we have right now — what started on Wall Street goes to Main Street, suddenly businesses can't get credit, they start carrying back their investment, they start laying off workers, workers start pulling back in terms of spending — when you have that situation, that government is an important element of introducing some additional demand into the economy. We stand to lose about $1 trillion worth of demand this year and another trillion next year. And what that means is you've got this gaping hole in the economy.

        That's why the figure that we initially came up with of approximately $800 billion was put forward. That wasn't just some random number that I plucked out of a hat. That was Republican and Democratic, conservative and liberal economists that I spoke to who indicated that given the magnitude of the crisis and the fact that it's happening worldwide, it's important for us to have a bill of sufficient size and scope that we can save or create 4 million jobs. That still means that you're going to have some net job loss, but at least we can start slowing the trend and moving it in the right direction.

        Now, the recovery and reinvestment package is not the only thing we have to do — it's one leg of the stool. We are still going to have to make sure that we are attracting private capital, get the credit markets flowing again, because that's the lifeblood of the economy.

        And so tomorrow, my Treasury secretary, Tim Geithner, will be announcing some very clear and specific plans for how we are going to start loosening up credit once again. And that means having some transparency and oversight in the system. It means that we correct some of the mistakes with TARP that were made earlier, the lack of consistency, the lack of clarity in terms of how the program was going to move forward. It means that we condition taxpayer dollars that are being provided to banks on them showing some restraint when it comes to executive compensation, not using the money to charter corporate jets when they're not necessary. It means that we focus on housing and how are we going to help homeowners that are suffering foreclosure, or homeowners who are still making their mortgage payments but are seeing their property values decline.

        So there are going to be a whole range of approaches that we have to take for dealing with the economy. My bottom line is to make sure that we are saving or creating 4 million jobs, we are making sure that the financial system is working again, that homeowners are getting some relief. And I'm happy to get good ideas from across the political spectrum, from Democrats and Republicans. What I won't do is return to the failed theories of the last eight years that got us into this fix in the first place, because those theories have been tested, and they have failed. And that's part of what the election in November was all about.

  • FunkyStuff [he/him]
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    2 months ago

    Bit of a catch 22. She says this and it just confirms what we were already saying, the genocide is the US' goal and support for the Zionists won't stop until the last Palestinian is killed. She says the opposite and it makes the US look weak and it wouldn't convince anyone.

    How hard could it be to just not support genocide in the first place?

  • AliSaket@mander.xyz
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    2 months ago

    No way! The nation

    • not leveraging their weapons assistance (unlike even Reagan in 1982)
    • giving diplomatic cover (not only through vetoes in the Security Council, but through threats against others willing to boycott or sanction)
    • undermining talks of a cease-fire (or they're just the most incapable people ever to hold talks)
    • actively bombing those opposing the aggression (e.g. Yemen)
    • still peddling the debunked lies of the perpetrators (Biden's 40 beheaded oven-babies much?)
    • never having cared about international law, if it is not to use it against an enemy (Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Venezuela, Cambodia, and so so many more)

    is actually content with what is done with said weapons? What a surprise!</s>

    Tim Walz during the debate also let the mask slip: “The expansion of Israel and its proxies is an absolute fundamental necessity for the US to have the steady leadership there (...)”

    • barrbaric [he/him]
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      2 months ago

      I mean yeah we know that, but I wonder if the increasingly hitlerian stances taken by Harris et al will actually result in any changes of public opinion or if typical liberals are too swept up in opposition to Trump to notice.

    • loathsome dongeater@lemmygrad.ml
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      2 months ago

      By the time she got to the end I forgot what she had said in the beginning. Either the interviewer is very smart or he doesn't care how she answers.

      • christian [he/him]
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        2 months ago

        When I read the quote typed up above it's clear as day that what she's saying here is objectionable, but when I listen to her say those words in her voice, I've lost track of the plot before she's done. Given that the OP is correct that Kamala was not supposed to say this, I have to wonder if she lost track near the same point I did.

        edit: Rewatching and changed my mind, the point where I get thrown off is when she awkwardly tacks on "or a result of many things including" before finishing the sentence, which is likely just realizing midway through that she wants to tone down crediting the US for what's happening there. The actual quote is more tempered than what OP has transcribed, she caught where it was going to go right before she finished.

  • Voidance [none/use name]
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    2 months ago

    “This is completely the opposite of what she is supposed to say”

    Yeah that can happen sometimes on benzos

  • GoodGuyWithACat [he/him]
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    2 months ago

    It speaks to the acting ability of Julia Louis Dreyfus that she could do a perfect Kamala impression a decade before she was VP.