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cultural appropriation to call your friend girl? what? :cat-confused:
also womxn is stupid as fuck on its face, but also idiotic if you delve into the purpose of it, so just ugh
yeah gonna need these people to provide at least three black friends to prove they arnt racist for that shit. 🙄
I can never keep these straight. there's one version that's TERF shit and another that's about being more inclusive of gender identities (a la latinx). the latter is a nice thought but no one who struggles when called a woman is really going to be any happier with a word that's effectively the same out the gate. it makes more sense in the latinx context because the gender marker is carried in the last letter - womxn is at best read as woman* which is even worse when you consider the position of trans women.
For real tho. I just want to be called a woman. This isn’t complicated.
same! if it were actually helpful to NB comrades in some way, that would be one thing, but in practice, I feel like womxn is the nicer version of the terfy womyn.
womequisen! i guess
edit: but yeah, the biggest issue with it is that in creating a "more inclusive word" for women to explicitly discuss cis and trans women both is the implicit assumption that trans women are not actually women, which is uh, no.
edit edit: is it terf shit? did terfs come up with this?
counter suggestions on the name:
wombats, because wombats are badass
womelette, mostly to fuck with people that care about eggs way too much
womhive, i mean it works for kamala right?
womphalos, because the femme is central to existence obviously
womnibus, because it comprises all women
wombres, what if hombres but it was just for the ladies
womniform, all the lady shapes are now definitely included
but yes to superpowers. doesnt even have to be x-men related powers. any superpowers are good
edit: options!
As leftists who say stuff like bourgeoisie we shouldn't diss others
BIPxC trxns womxn obviously
Some of the challenges of most feminisms is that they end up reifying binary gender pretty quick, and strengthening those boundaries
Which is in turn a result of the utter d'estimation of the labour movement and left spaces only remaining in highly academic settings
I honestly am suprised at ultra woke libs and the zeal with which they do their thing. I honestly feel they are one bad day from being Maoists or something. That said, I think it comes from being out of touch but also social media has a kind of self-selection thing where extremely polemic discourse that just "feels right" is boosted and I think that created this bizzare, distorted culture.
More than anything it's just exhausting to be around, no wonder these radlib orgs are always dealing with activist burnout and drama. In my experience, it made it harder to recognise that I am non-binary since people are so quick to label in those spaces and I didnt want to get called out for "taking up space" that wasn't mine so I just went along with the cis label.
It's tricky because the conception of transgender and cisgender presupposes that those exist as binary categories, or are even necessary to exist at all.
Gender is obviously not a useful idea in any utopian power relations so should be done away with.
the conception of transgender and cisgender presupposes that those exist as binary categories, or are even necessary to exist at all.
Well they exist because people actually experience their lives this way. People are assigned a gender at birth that is incorrect, which is what makes them trans. I'd be careful this this line of reasoning, it kind of sounds like that post-gender, gender-blind stuff. Not saying that is the case with you, but I would be critical of those intuitions.
I am of the view that post-gender is a theoretical ideal to slowly meander towards, but doing so now represents significant harm against people who live in a gendered society.
I think the actual lived experience of people is important to consider but not something fixed forever.
True, I guess I'd clarify by saying they're out of touch with the working class particularly. Going to a protest, even if it has mostly working class people in it, doesn't really put you "in touch" with them because you don't really get to talk, get to know, and see how they live on the same level as trying to unionise bus drivers or something like that.
Framing is genuinely important and we have a lot of linguistic baggage which normalizes all kinds of hierarchy, social domination, and division. Experimenting with language is overall a good thing in my opinion. The problem is that a lot of people recognize these injustices and are shamed by them, but in lieu of actually doing something to fix the problems, they lean into linguistics and culture to compensate for their impotence. People engaged in struggle let their actions do the talking, and they don't need to lean on bleeding edge academic linguistic fads as a crutch.
hey guys, ngl I’m pretty bougie but fuck rad lib identity politics bs. It’s always been about class struggle with me. I’m pretty well off than a lot but it’s still a fucking struggle. I’m a supervisor and I live paycheck to paycheck. Wtf is up with this bs.
I think it's all an attempt at disavowal or overcompensation for their own feelings of privilege. In other words it's a projection, they try to make up for their own original sin they gained thru birthright by attacking the perceived same sin or transgression in others.
"Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?"
