Best solution would be allowing other users, so not OP themselves, to add alt-text/content-warnings/tags onto posts.
yeah, agreed. I said somewhere else mods should be able to add them and I think initially that's best while people get used to thinking through the consequences of what they're doing (or we wouldn't be having this conversation -- people put joke titles with NSFW on images of gore)
Simple NSFL tag seems to me like a good stopgap solution, and that level of effort and discernment is reasonable to expect from all OPs.
sure, there's no reason we can't iterate, I'm just saying that the ideal situation is that we can tag stuff so people know what to avoid.
Adding simple “CW: <…>” has the risk of requiring effort without being reliable enough for people that depend on CW to actually use this website.
I think people will learn relatively fast, especially with community pressure.
Requiring people to do things for marginalized groups, even if that work is done by mods, unfortunately can cause some resentment.
well, yeah. look at this thread, lol. I don't think that's a reason not to do something, it only means that we have a lot of work to do.
Almost nobody that really depends on detailed content-warnings is using ChapoChat, random terfs/trolls/nazis show up all the time, this is hardly a safe space.
I think the point is that we'd like it to be.
Something like “CW: <…>” could easily provide a false sense of security if not sufficiently crowd sourced to be responsive and comprehensive.
as you said, no one who depends on those is here right now anyway. the best time to start a change was yesterday, the second best time is today.
Or there would have to be “CW: unchecked” added by default, but even that is less useful that “vegan/unchecked” and “truama/unchecked” and so on…
no these aren't helpful.
It has to be worth the cost-benefit. NSFL tags have effectively no cost, usage can be enforced by mods.
as I said, it's not all or nothing. we can add NSFL and CW and let the usage of the latter grow over time / with encouragement.
The most important thing to me is that ChapoChat needs to maintain some degree of a carefree attitude. I do not mean anything goes, but rather that it should be accessible to lazy people and those with lingering liberalism.
I don't think that's going anywhere.
If people are worried about making mistakes while posting because they did not alt-text/content-warnings/tags correctly, that could be the end of ChapoChat.
I very much doubt that anyone will ever be that worried about them. as you said, there's a carefree attitude here. and I mean, look at this thread -- people can't work up the care to press a couple of buttons that they ultimately don't care about.
Utopian as fuck?
no, just very pessimistic on the possibility for change. and I mean, this thread is good reason to be, but I think the effect of this will be that most people choose to tag themselves. a similar kind of back and forth will happen with CW (I doubt as severe as there isn't the same perception of moral judgement at play) and ultimately, I'd rather this be a safe space than an unsafe one. people get hurt here and that gets old real fast.
yeah, agreed. I said somewhere else mods should be able to add them and I think initially that's best while people get used to thinking through the consequences of what they're doing (or we wouldn't be having this conversation -- people put joke titles with NSFW on images of gore)
sure, there's no reason we can't iterate, I'm just saying that the ideal situation is that we can tag stuff so people know what to avoid.
I think people will learn relatively fast, especially with community pressure.
well, yeah. look at this thread, lol. I don't think that's a reason not to do something, it only means that we have a lot of work to do.
I think the point is that we'd like it to be.
as you said, no one who depends on those is here right now anyway. the best time to start a change was yesterday, the second best time is today.
no these aren't helpful.
as I said, it's not all or nothing. we can add NSFL and CW and let the usage of the latter grow over time / with encouragement.
I don't think that's going anywhere.
I very much doubt that anyone will ever be that worried about them. as you said, there's a carefree attitude here. and I mean, look at this thread -- people can't work up the care to press a couple of buttons that they ultimately don't care about.
no, just very pessimistic on the possibility for change. and I mean, this thread is good reason to be, but I think the effect of this will be that most people choose to tag themselves. a similar kind of back and forth will happen with CW (I doubt as severe as there isn't the same perception of moral judgement at play) and ultimately, I'd rather this be a safe space than an unsafe one. people get hurt here and that gets old real fast.