Get the “ but we’re liberals 🤓” joke out now.

Obviously we’re very far left and vocal about being anti establishment, some things I’ve seen posted here, whilst I won’t admit I agree with :) are pretty sus from a feds perspective. If the site was raided and if people were subject to arrests, what do you think they would be charged with? We’re obviously on a list of course but the same can be said about all people tbh so I don’t really care about that, but since the political sphere in the US is becoming more mask off fash from both parties especially the drump comment about “enemy within” what do you think the future is? Also what crime is committed exactly? Might be a weird example but places like Georgia are racially targeting rappers by using their lyrics as evidence that they have committed crimes, couldn’t something similar happen here on this space? Does anyone have any examples of what the crime committed would be exactly or does it fall under freeze-peach.

I think it’s already been alarming for years but even more so with the multitude of arrests of people in support of Palestine including students who were just present at protests. I’ve seen people on here say we have to be organized etc in order for feds to take an initiative, but who knows exactly.

I just wanna know what crime and what jail I’ll be sent to if it all comes to that

  • BynarsAreOk [none/use name]
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    13 hours ago

    Meh, Feds going after this site but not 4ch?

    I guess depending on which country you live maybe if you post here your intentions to give lots of kisses and hugs to your local president or something and then actualy go and do it, perhaps that sort of attempt could lead to an FBI intervention. Otherwise I seriously doubt anyone cares.

    Someone should check on Mr Roger's and see if he is still keeping track of this website for his "research"(the guy with the only result for HB on Google scholar)

  • CarbonScored [any]
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    21 hours ago

    As it stands, nothing on Hexbear breaches the letter of the law in western countries.

    But, the reality is that they can arbitrarily arrest those they want to, and the consequent charge and punishment will be equally arbitrary and dependent on what made "push come to shove". Any previous examples will be equally arbitrarily charged and sentenced. So the only realistic answer is:

    • Crime you'll be charged with: Anything
    • Punishment: Anything between no punishment and death.
    • Beluga [comrade/them]
      hexagon
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      21 hours ago

      But all I do is post fake news? Do you think any federal agent have seen fake news posts? Do they read it with a straight face or do they chuckle a bit

      • CarbonScored [any]
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        21 hours ago

        I have had fakenews blocked since forever because it's truly awful to see. If I was a Federal agent I'd argue for directly funding its active posters.

        Nah it's cool, I'm only mooostly joking madeline-bruh

    • FemboyStalin [she/her,any]
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      15 hours ago

      https://ia801701.us.archive.org/28/items/the-invisible-ground/the-invisible-ground.pdf

  • TonoManza@lemmygrad.ml
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    22 hours ago

    The real answer is, whatever they want to...

    If they can argue you've crossed the line, they'll get you on some sort of domestic terrorism charge.

    If they can't, they'll get you for drugs or another crime, and planting evidence isn't above them if they need to.

    Maybe they'd even fear for their life during those arrests or you just become another "street crime" statistic and they don't need to get officially involved.

    They could also black van you if they can get away with it, at which point they don't even need to pretend anything.

      • thebartermyth [he/him]
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        22 hours ago

        The euphemism is for getting pulled into an unmarked van and killed.

        • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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          19 hours ago

          Or put on a plane to Pakistan to be tortured, then killed.

          "Extraordinary rendition" is the keyword.

        • Beluga [comrade/them]
          hexagon
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          21 hours ago

          I saw this euphemism in a Connor O’Malley video but they just brainwashed him into some sort of sleeper cell

  • FuckyWucky [none/use name]
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    1 day ago

    "National Security" or "Preventing Terrorism" would be my guess. It's what they do in so called "authoritarian" countries. US would also do the same if it sees its state power under threat or if a certain leader come into power.

      • FuckyWucky [none/use name]
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        1 day ago

        depends on how he (or she volcel-kamala or they (?)) decide to write the order. of course, American Supreme Court won't do shit. im going with up to 5 years (for no good reason, no trial), though its just a guess.

        • barrbaric [he/him]
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          24 hours ago

          Reminder that indefinite detention of US citizens is legal, and became so under Obama.

          • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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            19 hours ago

            Plus they can shove you in pre-trial detention and deny bail if they want to. And if they do let you out they can stick a gps collar on you and restrict your movement.

      • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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        19 hours ago

        It's all flim flam. Most likely they'd try to coerce you in to a false confession (a "plea deal") and give you a couple of years to make sure you're a felon, then let oyu out on probation in a few months or a year, but they could also send you up for a decade. It's all made up bullshit.

  • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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    19 hours ago

    All kinds of conspiracy charges, terroristic threats, shit like that. I think they just throw everything they can possibly think of at the wall to see what sticks.

  • D61 [any]
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    20 hours ago

    Delinquency of minors, terroristic threatening, supporting terrorist States, conspiracy to riot (any posts detailing what to do during protests, sit-ins, building occupations), being/supporting communists/communism (pretty sure there's still laws all over the books from the red scare days that could be used) just off the top of my head.

    Doubt most of the charges would stick but that won't matter as anybody who gets scooped up is likely to be broke enough that having all your computer gear (cell phones, router, computer, laptop, tablets) disappeared, missing enough days of work to be fired, expected to pay whatever "fees and penalties" can be thought of, flagged in some background check databases as a "person of interest" or something can go a long way in making life unpleasant without being thrown in the hoosegow.

    • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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      19 hours ago

      You can beat the rap but you can't beat the ride.

      I think they've been using this as a tactic for the last decade or so. It doesn't matter if they get convictions if they can ruin your life with pre-trial detention, probation, forcing you to attend hearings far from home, character assassination, subpoenas, stealing everything you own and holding it as "evidence". They don't need to convict you to break you.

  • barrbaric [he/him]
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    24 hours ago

    Nothing, if it gets to that point they'd just kill us. Has the userbase of any forum ever been mass-arrested?

    • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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      19 hours ago

      Yeah but they're rubbish non-crimes that are onlu crimes bc the us is a draconian police state.

  • tamagotchicowboy [he/him]
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    22 hours ago

    Terrorism, conspiracy, something about being foreign agents, interacting with why-angel against some obscure law, and worst of all being rainbow-has