We don't seem to disagree -- I'm just not sure why you see that as Trump doing anything. You have it right there - CA is doing whatever it wants to do. It's entering into the same contracts it would have had to anyways. Having them labeled as "defiance" versus "blank" seems to be the only meaningful distinction you're raising.
I fail to see any impact on auto emissions comparing Biden against Trump. As I said, the barriers to CA completely adopting green policies is itself (and by extension, capitalism). Biden/Trump doesn't change that imo
Because the Trump administration took away the ability for California to set it's own auto emissions standards in 2019. That certainly is Trump doing something, no? California is currently trying to get companies to voluntarily agree to certain targets, which is less than idea. It does not cover every auto manufacturer
As I said, the barriers to CA completely adopting green policies is itself
Why are you saying this when I'm giving you an example of the federal government limiting what the California state government can do
an example of the federal government limiting what the California state government can do
What can't California do? It's setting its own standards through binding agreements with state auto makers. I'm not seeing what Trump or the feds have limited here.
It’s setting its own standards through binding agreements with state auto makers.
California is trying to persuade companies to enter voluntary agreements. These are not legally binding. These do not include every automaker. Toyota and GM did not enter this agreement for example. It's not the same as having actual rules.
What can’t California do?
Set auto emissions standards! It's not a power California has anymore, the federal government took it away. Voluntary agreements is absolutely not a substitute.
It literally says "binding agreements" right there in the quote you posted. That's part of what I'm trying to say. California can do whatever it wants with respect to what happens in the state. If they want stricter emissions standards they can just demand them, and they are. Trump is huffing and puffing, sure. But practically I'm not seeing any consequence or fallout. I'm not seeing any practical impediment - just political posturing.
I still don't quite understand what it is the federal government "took away." Or what you mean by a substitute - they are getting results. I understand your general point that there might be more work to do under Trump than under Biden. I'm just not seeing it in this instance.
If they want stricter emissions standards they can just demand them, and they are.
Toyota and GM and not part of the agreement, California can't do anything about it. It's binding to the companies that agreed to be bound by it, which I don't think is as effective.
I still don’t quite understand what it is the federal government “took away.”
The ability to do anything about it. The Clean Air Air 1970 specifically let the state of California make rules stricter then the federal government. This part was taken away.
In 2018 California could stop Toyota from selling cars in the state if they didn't follow the emissions regulations, today Toyota has to voluntarily agree to be bound by them. They have decided not to, this is a difference.
We don't seem to disagree -- I'm just not sure why you see that as Trump doing anything. You have it right there - CA is doing whatever it wants to do. It's entering into the same contracts it would have had to anyways. Having them labeled as "defiance" versus "blank" seems to be the only meaningful distinction you're raising.
I fail to see any impact on auto emissions comparing Biden against Trump. As I said, the barriers to CA completely adopting green policies is itself (and by extension, capitalism). Biden/Trump doesn't change that imo
Because the Trump administration took away the ability for California to set it's own auto emissions standards in 2019. That certainly is Trump doing something, no? California is currently trying to get companies to voluntarily agree to certain targets, which is less than idea. It does not cover every auto manufacturer
Why are you saying this when I'm giving you an example of the federal government limiting what the California state government can do
What can't California do? It's setting its own standards through binding agreements with state auto makers. I'm not seeing what Trump or the feds have limited here.
California is trying to persuade companies to enter voluntary agreements. These are not legally binding. These do not include every automaker. Toyota and GM did not enter this agreement for example. It's not the same as having actual rules.
Set auto emissions standards! It's not a power California has anymore, the federal government took it away. Voluntary agreements is absolutely not a substitute.
It literally says "binding agreements" right there in the quote you posted. That's part of what I'm trying to say. California can do whatever it wants with respect to what happens in the state. If they want stricter emissions standards they can just demand them, and they are. Trump is huffing and puffing, sure. But practically I'm not seeing any consequence or fallout. I'm not seeing any practical impediment - just political posturing.
I still don't quite understand what it is the federal government "took away." Or what you mean by a substitute - they are getting results. I understand your general point that there might be more work to do under Trump than under Biden. I'm just not seeing it in this instance.
Toyota and GM and not part of the agreement, California can't do anything about it. It's binding to the companies that agreed to be bound by it, which I don't think is as effective.
The ability to do anything about it. The Clean Air Air 1970 specifically let the state of California make rules stricter then the federal government. This part was taken away.
In 2018 California could stop Toyota from selling cars in the state if they didn't follow the emissions regulations, today Toyota has to voluntarily agree to be bound by them. They have decided not to, this is a difference.