lesser evil calculus where it's literally just n compared to n+1 is so unhinged like, this is not a meaningful measurement. if the harris admin promised to kill 200000 and maim one where the trump admin promised to kill 200001 are we making a difference here? kill 200000 and leave one on life support? what are we doing here. it's so bleak 
I feel its more like
"we should improve society somewhat"
"what do you mean, you simpleton, every single body in the mass grave adds up and this is one less, its simple math! nobody understands politics like me, the politics understander"
i guess that's basically what you said but i like my way better
Heartache is powerful, but democracy is subtle. Incrementally, you begin to notice a change in the weather. When it snows, the flakes are softer when they stick to your worry-worn forehead. When it rains, the rain is warmer. Democracy is coming to the Administrative Region. The ideals of Dolorian humanism are reinstating themselves. How can they not? These are the ideals of the Coalition and the Moralist International. Those guys are signal blue. And they're not only good -- they're also powerful. What will it be like, once their nuanced plans have been realized?
The Kingdom of Conscience will be exactly as it is now. Moralists don't really have beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded. Centrism isn't change -- not even incremental change. It is control. Over yourself and the world. Exercise it. Look up at the sky, at the dark shapes of Coalition airships hanging there. Ask yourself: is there something sinister in moralism? And then answer: no. God is in his heaven. Everything is normal on Earth.
Call me a redfash tankie but maybe we should not do genocide regardless of scale, clearly I'm being too idealist.
it’s not genocide
and if it is, it’s by accident
and if it isn’t, they deserved it
What liberals can't imagine is that Trump could actually fail to kill as many Palestinians, because he's just that bad at foreign policy.
In their minds, what a politician promises to do and what they are going to are exactly the same. This applies to both their own preferred candidates and their opposition, they just credulously accept that they can do all the shit they promise to do.
Liberals would cheer Trump on if he was worse somehow. Like the time he launched missles at Syria and then he was suddenly a serious figure for a moment.
I was going to say this same thing.
Why is it just taken as a given that Trump will be worse on this?
I don't see why he wouldn't be, he was the President.
Sure, nothing like Oct 7 and Israel's response came up during him but as others have said Trump's policies did contribute to it.
Whether Trump will be just as bad or worse is not relevant. What matters is that Biden (and Harris) have allowed the genocide.
Honestly, such reasoning applies more to Harris, "she has never been the President, maybe it's just rhetoric". The only point for Trump is that "he's incompetent"
I'd say on foreign policy alone Trump is a potential minor improvement.
Trump has no political loyalty beyond himself. He could absolutely be convinced to pressure Israel depending on the media cycle. 99/100 he'd end up being about the same but there's always the off chance that his idiocy leads to a good outcome. Something like demanding other NATO states contribute to Israel and then blowing it all up when none of them do. He's unintentionally contributed to de-dollerization and a weakened America Empire.
Harris knows exactly how the sausage is made and she's an full-throated supporter. She will never have a better outcome because she is ideologically committed to the worst outcome.
Theorem: If the difference between Harris and Hitler is less than or equal to 1/n for all positive integers n, then Harris is equal to Hitler.
Proof by contradiction: Suppose Hitler is strictly worse than Harris, then Harris < Hitler on the evil axis.
Then we have: 0 < Hitler - Harris < 1/n for all positive integers n.
Multiplying all sides by n: 0 < n(Hitler - Harris) < 1
Dividing all sides by the difference between Hitler and Harris: 0 < n < 1/(Hitler - Harris)
But that implies the set of positive integers are bounded above by 1/(Hitler - Harris). The set of integers are an inductive set, which is any set that contains the number 1 and contains x+1 for all elements x in the set. If the set of positive integers is bounded above by 1/(Hitler - Harris), then it must have a least upperbound b such that b <= 1/(Hitler - Harris). That means the set must contain some number k such that k > b-1 otherwise b-1 would be the least upperbound. But since this is an inductive set, it must contain k+1 if it contains k, and k+1 > b, proving the set of positive integers is actually unbounded and therefore Hitler = Harris.
They really have no desire to gain power outside voting. Pathetic cowards.
And similarly, they have no desire to utilise that power except for its own sake. They don’t want to change the world. They’re liberals. By definition they’re fine with the status quo.
i made the mistake of clicking on a r/news post today about a man in Algeria who killed a swiss tourist while screaming "this is for palestine" or something.
top comments were all hideous. one of them was "look what that guy did now they'll have to kill thousands more palestinians because of him" and it was just so fucking bleak. it wasn't a leftist making a statement it was someone celebrating. they were all celebrating ramping up of the genocide because of one unhinged person
racist comments from top to bottom. stuff that if it was about any other culture or ethnicity it would be instantly shut down and mass deleted
it was complete silence when the landlord murdered the palestinian mother and child. he was just "mentally unwell".
i want to believe it's all chatbots trained on hasbara talking points but i know there are living, breathing westerners behind most of it
"I want to believe it's all chatbots trained on hasbara talking points but i know there are living, breathing westerners behind most of it"
basically the same thing except westerners are trained chatbots made out of flesh most of them at least
I hope so, or else I might have to have some words with Joe
The less bad answer is that for some reason the believe this is just rhetoric and their isn't really a genocide or something.
But they're probably just jockeying for a nice spot in the cuck pit
Technically there is an infinite amount of numbers between any two numbers
This is the basic logic that would lead Skynet to murdering all humans.
Props to that lib Briahna for a great tweet though credit where credit is due
i wonder if you ask these "lesser of two evils" sorts, if they saw two people- one kicking one puppy, and one kicking two puppies, would they help the guy who's only kicking one puppy to kick the puppy more since he's "not as bad" as the guy kicking two puppies, or would they try to help the puppies instead of the guys kicking them? i assume they would say help the puppies. it's weird to me if you pose this question about actual humans being murdered right now they don't see that.
it's weird to me if you pose this question about actual humans being murdered right now they don't see that
You assume they're operating in good faith; these people would call those awesome folks sabotaging factories that make bomb and fighter jet parts terrorists. These people don't actually care about Palestinians.
They have all kinds of antisemitism in this single zionist package.
