It's like these libs believe that Kamala is entitled to our vote.

If I didn't vote for PSL, then I simply would not vote! It's not "PSL or Kamala;" it's "PSL or sit on my ass at home."

I know libs don't understand nuance, but it still is so frustrating that they put this framing on me where they assume that I have any actual interest in a Kamala president over a Trump presidency.

Not only that, but this person called Claudia de la Cruz a "clowny leftist with no choice of winning" (which isn't the point of a third party vote; let's be real), but I just told the lib, "You call her clowny, but you are literally guilt tripping and insulting me just because I won't vote for someone who is actively greenlighting a genocide on Palestinians." and then I blocked.

Whether Trump or Kamala wins, I'll enjoy social media outrage from either side, but it seems like what I'll see from liberals in the case of a Trump election will be more entertaining. I truly think libs are beyond being redeemed, and that even goes for the more "progressive" types who appropriate the label of "democratic socialist" like Bernie and AOC. I don't adhere to lesser-evilism, so I'm not gonna pretend that this one-party state with two parties has one side over the other functioning in a way that could especially benefit me.

  • GenXen [any, any]
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    45 minutes ago

    It's like these libs believe that Kamala [INSERT CURRENT DEM SLOP] is entitled to our vote.

    manhattan

  • JuanGLADIO [any]
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    50 minutes ago

    I voted for Claudia. Wife wrote in Rashida. I wonder what leaving it blank does to them but voting for other things? (I left the senator blank Schiff doesn't get my vote either)

  • sovietknuckles [they/them]
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    2 hours ago

    Guy on an electric bike asked if I would stop funding the genocide in Gaza so he would vote for me and I told him I'm not really "into stopping funding genocides right now" and he said "that's cool" and let me rant about means-tested healthcare but when it was over he said "that's what you're missing" and scooted off into the distance

  • CommunistCuddlefish [she/her]
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    3 hours ago

    I truly think libs are beyond being redeemed, and that even goes for the more "progressive" types who appropriate the label of "democratic socialist" like Bernie and AOC.

    I used to think they could be moved left -- after all, many did -- but at this point I no longer believe that. So many of the libs who "moved left" under Trump, at least that I know, are now ride or die for Kdolf Hitler. If they won't grow a soul and reject liberalism because of genocide, they're beyond rehabilitating and aren't worth my time anymore. I'd rather engage with the politically unengaged than with the politically engaged liberal. The unengaged can be woken up to the truth, the engaged liberals see the truth and don't care.

  • beef_curds [she/her]
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    4 hours ago

    Not sure where you live, but if you don't live in a swing state, you're wasting your vote if you DON'T vote third party.

    Matching public campaign funds are calculated nationally. If you're in a solid red/blue state then you're 100% wasting your vote on a major party, because they opt out of public funds, an your vote isn't going to change a built-in 10% difference in the tally. But if you vote 3rd party, you're voting into a national pool that could potentially get that 3rd party automatic ballot access and matching federal funds for campaigning.

    So if you're like the majority of us, in a state that doesn't matter, then you can just levy the accusation right back at them and ask why they're wasting their vote.

    • Angel [any]
      hexagon
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      2 hours ago

      Interestingly enough, this lib is from NY.

    • Fox [any, she/her]@vegantheoryclub.org
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      4 hours ago

      Not sure where you live, but if you don’t live in a swing state, you’re wasting your vote if you DON’T vote third party.

      This is exactly what I don't understand about this claim lol. Why the fuck does it matter if someone from Minnesota or New York for example votes for a third party. The republicans haven't won MN or NY in decades.

  • GoodGuyWithACat [he/him]
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    4 hours ago

    "The only wasted vote is a vote for something you don't believe in."

    I heard this from a libertarian but it's still good to throw out.

    • ChaosMaterialist [he/him]
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      2 hours ago

      :posting: :posting: :posting:

      say-the-line-bart-2 Banging the sign again...

      :posting: :posting: :posting:

      Liberals are outnumbered 2-to-1 by non-voters. 50% of the electorate does not vote, so if they aren't doorknocking they are not serious.

      From marx and blushing-engels

      that workers’ candidates are nominated everywhere in opposition to bourgeois-democratic candidates. As far as possible they should be League members and their election should be pursued by all possible means. Even where there is no prospect of achieving their election the workers must put up their own candidates to preserve their independence, to gauge their own strength and to bring their revolutionary position and party standpoint to public attention. They must not be led astray by the empty phrases of the democrats, who will maintain that the workers’ candidates will split the democratic party and offer the forces of reaction the chance of victory. All such talk means, in the final analysis, that the proletariat is to be swindled.

      previously... previously... previously... previously... previously... previously... previously... previously... previously...

  • ProletarianDictator [none/use name]
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    5 hours ago

    Dems chose centrist Republicans with their policy agenda. Go focus your attention on them if you can't muster up meaningful policy to appeal to leftists.

    YOU MADE THE TRADE, DONT BE MAD YOU CANT HAVE BOTH!

    I'd be #khive right now if Biden stopped providing Israel with weapons. Instead, you are losing my vote forever by excusing genocide. Good job 👍 Hope rehabilitating Dick Chaney was worth it!

  • jolliver_bromwell [she/her]
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    6 hours ago

    im really enjoying telling libs that i voted for jill stein. it's the only way i've been able to get them to call me comrade

  • roux [he/him, comrade/them]
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    7 hours ago

    I stick by my guns. All she literally had to do was say she was going to stop sending bombs to Israel for their genocide and to acknowledge that trans rights need to be protected and that she would at the very least work towards passing legislation for those things. That's all she needed to do and she'd have gotten my worthless red state vote.

    ETA: Fuck Kamala Harris. ACAB.

    • Belly_Beanis [he/him]
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      6 hours ago

      ...and not even follow through with any of it lol. She'd win while still supporting Isreal. Really easy to do but she can't just put the mask back on for five minutes and wait for the election to be over. Harris has to just rub everyone's noses in it.

      • roux [he/him, comrade/them]
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        3 hours ago

        Exactly, not even follow through at all. I'll take empty face-saving promises from a piece of shit candidate over laughing at dead Palestinians with her shit-eating "I'm speaking" catch phrase like some Simpsons caricature of herself. Our system is fucking broken so it really doesn't matter.

        • Wakmrow [he/him]
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          1 hour ago

          That was my math. At least fucking lie to me about being harm reduction. Just fucking lie. I know she wouldn't follow through but I would have to vote for moral reasons

          • Collatz_problem [comrade/them]
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            46 minutes ago

            No, bourgeois politicians should truthfully declare that they are awful, if they are not going to do anything good.

  • 2Password2Remember [he/him]
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    7 hours ago

    imagine being such an entitled little baby that you think you deserve the opportunity to vote against genocide 😂😂

    Death to America

  • EllenKelly [comrade/them]
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    7 hours ago

    I don't even get a vote and I've had to listen to american liberals talk about how I am trying to destroy the country for months, tell these dweebs you're voting PSL for me lol

  • Erika3sis [she/her, xe/xem]
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    9 hours ago

    It's not "PSL or Kamala;" it's "PSL or sit on my ass at home."

    A thing I thought recently is that the types who will outright harass you for not voting for Harris have the same logic as anti-adblock: give me stern warnings about how I'm violating site TOS, and force me to sit through the ads, but I'm still not going to click on the ads — that is after all why I was using an adblocker! So they've really just wasted their own bandwidth and my own time.

    Alternatively, it's the same logic as anti-piracy, where every pirated copy of something is seen as lost money, as if every single person who pirated something Would've bought the thing using "legal means" If Only all the pirate sites were taken down... And so they force me to go from one site to the next, as if with just enough pressure I actually would shell out wads of cash for My Shows instead of just finding other things to waste my time on.