Well even in ultraendurance athletes, who are outliers, their bodies only generate something like 6-8% of ATP from proteins (I forget the exact amount) edit: 5% in presence of carbohydrate, up to 15% when not in presence. Normal people just don't seem to turn it into "energy" for movement in concentrations of note. I guess you could make the argument that certain levels of excess protein intake can be converted to fat for storage, so maybe I'm a little off base with the assertion. It would be super slow to extract that energy for on-demand use though. And there are too many negative consequences to excess protein consumption IMO to justify it. It's like people will do literally anything to avoid acclimating to eating just a little bit less overall quantity.
Here's a quote from Sports Nutrition - A Practice Manual for Professionals, 4E, on page 436:
Lemon cautions against extremely high protein intakes (> 2 g/kg/day) because of possible health hazards and the lack of evidence of performance advantage. A review by Wolfe (75) addresses the use of protein supplements in exercise training and issues the same cautionary note that excessive protein intake may increase the potential for dehydration due to high urea excretion, and may cause gout, liver and kidney damage, calcium loss, bloating, and diarrhea, particularly in at-risk groups such as children, elderly individuals, and those with chronic conditions.
Attention has been given to the possible benefits of combining protein with carbohydrate during exercise to delay fatigue or immediately after exercise to maximize muscle glycogen synthesis (60, 76-78). Results have been mixed, with inconclusive evidence to support the addition of protein in the presidents of adequate carbohydrate intake.
I'm not telling you not to eat protein, just don't have too much. The whole point of the thread was the Jordan Peterson meat guys. I knew a faculty guy at college who literally got gout because of his consumption of protein shakes (often 30-50g) Don't eat that much (to the point that you get gout I mean), in fact you should have anywhere between 1.4-1.7 if you are an athlete. But don't cut out carbohydrates, the meat people, they're crazy.
yeah but europeans have iron problems as a consequence of lactose tolerance.
The highest red meat eating demographic is unironically the least adapted to it. Although I don't think anybody is particularly adapted to it, save for maybe some Inuit people and the Plains Americans (the latter of which don't exist anymore)
What do you mean barely any caloric energy? Like, relative to the dry mass?
Well even in ultraendurance athletes, who are outliers, their bodies only generate something like
6-8% of ATP from proteins (I forget the exact amount)edit: 5% in presence of carbohydrate, up to 15% when not in presence. Normal people just don't seem to turn it into "energy" for movement in concentrations of note. I guess you could make the argument that certain levels of excess protein intake can be converted to fat for storage, so maybe I'm a little off base with the assertion. It would be super slow to extract that energy for on-demand use though. And there are too many negative consequences to excess protein consumption IMO to justify it. It's like people will do literally anything to avoid acclimating to eating just a little bit less overall quantity.deleted by creator
Excess protein consumption.
Here's a quote from Sports Nutrition - A Practice Manual for Professionals, 4E, on page 436:
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I'm not telling you not to eat protein, just don't have too much. The whole point of the thread was the Jordan Peterson meat guys. I knew a faculty guy at college who literally got gout because of his consumption of protein shakes (often 30-50g) Don't eat that much (to the point that you get gout I mean), in fact you should have anywhere between 1.4-1.7 if you are an athlete. But don't cut out carbohydrates, the meat people, they're crazy.
yeah but europeans have iron problems as a consequence of lactose tolerance.
The highest red meat eating demographic is unironically the least adapted to it. Although I don't think anybody is particularly adapted to it, save for maybe some Inuit people and the Plains Americans (the latter of which don't exist anymore)
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