(Only the first 3:30 is relevant)

My summary of the video:

  • A Harris presidency will allow the empire to continue to function smoothly. As a result, more harm will be caused towards the global south.
  • A Trump presidency will cause less harm outside the US solely because Trump is incompetent and surround himself with incompetent people. However, life will be worse within the US due to the empire being dysfunctional, also the conservative social policies.
  • So for the lives of Americans, Harris is better.
  • For everyone else, Trump is better.

I'm asking because I don't recall seeing a lot of people with this take and this has been my take for years.

I should clarify that I am from the global south. And I don't agree with everything in the video, in particular the part where he said Americans should suffer because of the suffering the US brought to its victims. I don't see the vast majority of Americans having any control on its foreign policy, so I don't think they should be punished for it. Also, I know it's 100% hitler vs 100% hitler, both are equally bad, I agree, just that they are slightly different variants of hitlers.


Note: I'm not arguing that you should vote for Trump, hell no. If I'm an American(I am not), I would either not vote or vote PSL. This take is about the effect of one or the other getting elected.

  • Jabril [none/use name]
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    2 hours ago

    I think this is kind of right, but there is no promise Trump and his team will be incompetent and less harmful. I think it's just true that if either were to be, it would be him, and definitely not her. Harris will definitely follow the script, Trump might improv sometimes in a way that is actually less bad than the script. He might follow it too though, he did cut his teeth on the stage after all (at WWE)

  • LigOleTiberal [he/him]
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    12 hours ago

    I don't think it is certain that trump will be better for non-americans.

    he did plenty of awful foreign policy shit last time.

    • AlyxMS [he/him]
      hexagon
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      11 hours ago

      I believed it mostly because nearly all US backed regime changes under Trump(Cuba, Bolivia, Venezuela, Hong Kong) has been failures. With exception of Pakistan being successful.

      I'm not saying he'll have better policy, no, I firmly hold the opinion that US elections have zero impact on its foreign policy, rather Trump admin is worse at executing it.

    • Adkml [he/him]
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      12 hours ago

      Yea even short of actual imperialism he just tries to put tariffs on fucking everything. Last time he declared Canada selling us wood a national emergency which made construction costs skyrocket here and really slowed down Canada's economy.

      There also the direct Iimperialism stuff like assassinating Iranian generals and letting Saudi Arabia do whatever it wants.

      • someone [comrade/them, they/them]
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        8 hours ago

        Last time he declared Canada selling us wood a national emergency which made construction costs skyrocket here and really slowed down Canada's economy.

        That's not uniquely Trump. That dates back to Reagan and has been enthusiastically been prosecuted by American politicians of all positions and lawn sign colours. The most recent tariff increase was actually just in August under the Biden administration, from just over 8% to almost 15%.

  • ThermonuclearEgg [she/her, they/them]
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    12 hours ago
    • A [2024 candidate] presidency will allow the empire to continue to function smoothly. As a result, more harm will be caused towards the global south.
    • A [2024 candidate] presidency will cause less harm outside the US solely because [2024 candidate] is incompetent and surround [gender] with incompetent people. However, life will be worse within the US due to the empire being dysfunctional, also the conservative social policies.
    • So for the lives of Americans, [2024 candidate] is better.
    • For everyone else, [2024 candidate] is better.

    This is pretty funny with this filter. IMHO this applies to both candidates.

  • SevenSkalls [he/him]
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    12 hours ago

    Trump put some of the biggest war hawks in US history, like Bolton, in his cabinet. And he would have huge inflammatory rhetoric towards certain countries like China or North Korea. But on the other hand, he clearly didn't care too much about NATO. So I'm not sure it's so cut and dry.

  • D61 [any]
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    13 hours ago

    So for the lives of Americans, Harris is better.

    For everyone else, Trump is better.

    Its been kind of an accelerationist and "revolutionary defeatist" position that is fairly common on Hexbear since back in the r/cth days.

  • FourteenEyes [he/him]
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    16 hours ago

    my thinking is that they're both going to be objectively terrible and ineffectual leaders so that's kind of a harm reduction in and of itself

    Regardless I live in a blue state so my vote literally does not matter at all, I'm voting PSL

    • AlyxMS [he/him]
      hexagon
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      11 hours ago

      Good. I think even if PSL got like 3% vote, it would give both parties a big scare

  • glimmer_twin [he/him]
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    18 hours ago

    It depends how vengeful you are feeling towards the 70% of Americans who deserve Foucault’s boomerang. That aside,US foreign policy is bipartisan, so for anyone not living in that shithole the result literally doesn’t matter.