• Krause [he/him]@lemmygrad.ml
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    1 year ago

    the nationalist voted in the Jewish president at the same rate as everyone else

    That Zelensky is Jewish doesn't even matter, but that last part is not even true lmao

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    Zelensky ran on a peace platform so he got more votes in Donetsk, Lugansk and the other regions in the East, as you go further West you get less and less people voting for him until you reach Lviv where they voted for PoroshenKKKo

    • Infamousblt [any]
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      1 year ago

      Wow I've never seen that graph map before and it's fucking TELLING.

      • edge [he/him]
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        1 year ago

        The 2010 map is telling too. The Donbass and Crimea voted for Yanukovych by 70, 80, even 90 percent. This is the president who’s coup in 2014 sparked the separatists.

      • notceps [he/him]
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        1 year ago

        I mean it's something that quite a few ukrainians that have fled already told me, they literally voted in Zelensky because he was supposed to be the guy calming everything down, the vote for peace and look how that turned out.

  • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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    1 year ago

    Remember, kids - you're not a Banderite nationalist unless you're from the Banderite region of Galacia. Anything else is just sparkling fascism.

    "There aren't any fascist party members in the rada!" Yeah well there aren't any (official) fascist party members in the US congress and look how much good that's done.

    • Ram_The_Manparts [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      I remember when Anders Breivik murdered 70 people here in Norway.

      That was only made possible by The Knight Templars party holding a majority of seats in our parliament.

      • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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        1 year ago

        The Knight Templars party

        Sarcasm or straight? I'm not familiar with the political party comp at that period in time and I'm not sure how to look it up.

        That was such an awful moment.

        • Ram_The_Manparts [he/him]
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          1 year ago

          Sarcasm. Breivik refered to himself as a Knight Templar in his manifesto, so following the lib logic of "the only way Ukrainian fascists could do anything at all was if there was a bunch of fascists in the Rada", there clearly must have been knight templars in the Norwegian parliament.

        • Barabas [he/him]
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          1 year ago

          That is just Fremskrittspartiet.

          But no, there is no Templar party in Norway. Breivik claimed to be a crusader etc though.

  • camaron30 [he/him]
    hexagon
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    1 year ago

    Some random podcaster apparently talked about russia and it made them mad.

  • edge [he/him]
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    1 year ago

    the reason NATO expanded is because Russia invaded old USSR land. The Chechen war which proved NATO still needed to exist.

    Chechnya is and was part of Russia the whole time. How does Russia stopping separatists in its own borders prove the need for NATO? Do we need a bloc against Ukraine since they invaded their separatist regions?

  • mkultrawide [any]
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    1 year ago

    I don't have the time or patience to go through all of these, but the second one is one that really pisses me off. The US-Soviet diplomatic relationship (and frankly most diplomatic relationships) was based on handshake deals and trusting each others word. There was no formal deal granting NATO passage across East Germany to access West Berlin, for instance. So when the US told the Soviets that they wouldn't expand West, the Soviets had historical reasons to think that didn't need to be written down, because that was business as usual. Not that a written agreement would have been worth anything anyways, as the value of the promise of a NATO liberal is equivalent to that of a used car salesman.

  • SootySootySoot [any]
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    1 year ago

    (also ignore that major governmental figures have publicly called for a crusade against semites).