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A rushed vaccine will only strengthen the anti-vax and anti-intellectualism movement because they'll be like "see? we told you so"
Not an anti-vaxxer, but after the military experimented on us with their anthrax "vaccine" - well, let's just say, I really hope they don't screw this up. Those anthrax shots fucked me up for years.
Oh boy. Late 90s. Clinton stroked off some bullshit pharmaceutical company and required all deploying troops to get inoculated even though said vaccine wasn't even approved by the FDA.
In hindsight, turns out the vaccine was totally ineffective to anthrax and it had lasting side effects. Double awesome!! For approximately ten years I would get debilitating joint pain (sometimes locking my elbows or knees) and fever with no other symptoms. At first it was monthly, sometimes weekly, but at the 10 year mark it finally started to subside.
Not shockingly when I would have episodes and I told my boss, I suspect these are side effects from an anthrax vax I was forced to take when I was in the military, he didn't believe me and thought I was faking it.
Interesting. I've looked it up on Wikipedia and it turns out that the vaccine was deemed safe by FDA in 2005 and is still mandatory for some troops.
Maybe I'm misremembering (I'm ok with being wrong). But my side effects were very real.
A lot of approved medications have horrible side effects. I guess it includes vaccines.
Again, can't stress this enough, I'm not an anti-vaxxer. Got my flu shot 2 weeks ago. But I've talked to other veterans from the same period who have had similar side effects. One lady I worked with, former pilot, swears it's the reason she and her husband had trouble with pregnancy. All anecdotal but somewhat reassuring because in my late 20s I thought I was going crazy.
I’m wary of vaccines because of the Tuskegee Experiment , where they knowingly injected black people with syphillis. Not anti bad but I’ll let someone else be the guinea pig first tbh
I encourage everyone hear throwing around to do some research into the practices the trials are using to ensure the integrity of the vaccine. Anecdotal accounts of side effects notwithstanding, there seems to be a broad consensus that these will be safe,( https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/vaccines a large symposium that recently occurred discussing high level COVID 19 vaccine topics, worth a listen) with a major concern being that a large percentage of people seem utterly uninterested in receiving a vaccine, which places an enormous burden on other individuals who for health reasons can not get a vaccine. Get vaccinated libs, it fucking saves lives.
Yeah vaccines in general are safe. They don’t take years to make because they are testing for safety for years. They take years because that minimizes financial risk to the pharmaceutical companies. The government has basically removed the risk, so things can be done much faster.
Yeah, obviously I have huge issues with pharma profiting off of this immensely as they certainly will, but vaccines are still a huge public safety boon.
I hope that isn't the case. This is a good discussion either way though, thanks for starting it! The symposium I posted, if you have time, goes into a couple of the safety concerns from major vaccine trials. That being said, while I have limited(and tbh biased) faith in the NIH/CDC, I can acknowledge that other governmental systems will make foolhardy decisions for a potential one up in the game of electoral-ism, and I do not have faith in that. The talks I posted also go into that a bit as well, how politics has corroded integrity of science. Although science is corroded for lots of other reasons as well.
I can't wait until the braindead chuds do a complete 180 overnight (provided dump is still pres) and start supporting vaccines, just like they did back in March 2020
Still waiting for this whole coronavirus thing to blow over
me, with my pants on the ground and my ass cheeks facing west: alright mister xi, inject me with the vaccine
Well that's what tests are for isn't it. Consider re-evaluating whether the vaccine is safe enough once it comes out - vaccination helps everyone.
I mean a lot of vaccines make you feel like crap the day after you get it. I’m old enough to remember getting the MMR booster for high school and I felt like shit for a day after. One of the hepatitis vaccines made me feel kinda crappy too if I remember right. Feeling flu like after a vaccine can be a good thing, it means your immune system is really ramping up
According to the same article, the trial is double-blind. Unless I'm missing something, the person they interviewed doesn't know if they got the vaccine.
I can't tell you how many people who have said to me they don't get a flu shot anymore because it, "gave them the flu." I'm sorry, but I'm extremely suspicious of people's first hand accounts of a medical trial that can't be verified. The person was maybe given a trial drug during a global pandemic. That's going to fuck with a person's head. Placebo effect is a real thing.
I can’t tell you how many people who have said to me they don’t get a flu shot anymore because it, “gave them the flu.”
You should take people's word for what they've experienced. They didn't actually get the flu but they got flu-like symptoms from their immune system reacting to the vaccine. They phrase it wrong but from their perspective it's very similar to getting the flu. I think that not explaining properly this does lead to some unnecessary vaccine skepticism.
Okay. But this sentence, "While the symptoms were uncomfortable, and at times intense, they often went away after a day, sometimes sooner, according to three participants in the Moderna trial and one in Pfizer’s as well as a person close to another participant in Moderna’s trial," makes me extremely suspicious. The severity of the reported symptoms (were the "high" fevers verified by a nurse or doctor?), coupled with the short duration, sets off some red flags to me. It could have been food poisoning for all we know. People are very sensitive to suggestion, especially under stress. I think (and someone can correct me) subjects in a double-blind trial like this will eventually be informed if they got the real vaccine. I'm very curious to hear whether these people got the vaccine. I guarantee you that CNBC will not do a followup story.
The damage done by pushing libs to the point of "anti-vaxx" will be irreparable
Right-wingers will go crazy if a vaccine is discovered soon after Biden wins the election.
In this case, people can point to the timetable and be like "you didn't test this"
Also, people who don't give a shit about the virus aren't going to care about the vaccine anyway
I’m sure as hell not taking the vaccine on the first year.
I rather work from home.
I mean all you need to say is "I'm getting it in the second round, I'm just not in a rush till I see what the short and medium term effects are, even if I still have to stay home an extra 6 months"
Lol it’s like no upgrading your computer software right away after a big software update.
The ruling class isn't worried about a vaccine. They will have austerity budgets to enrich themselves at our expense.
