I mean a lot of vaccines make you feel like crap the day after you get it. I’m old enough to remember getting the MMR booster for high school and I felt like shit for a day after. One of the hepatitis vaccines made me feel kinda crappy too if I remember right. Feeling flu like after a vaccine can be a good thing, it means your immune system is really ramping up
According to the same article, the trial is double-blind. Unless I'm missing something, the person they interviewed doesn't know if they got the vaccine.
I can't tell you how many people who have said to me they don't get a flu shot anymore because it, "gave them the flu." I'm sorry, but I'm extremely suspicious of people's first hand accounts of a medical trial that can't be verified. The person was maybe given a trial drug during a global pandemic. That's going to fuck with a person's head. Placebo effect is a real thing.
I can’t tell you how many people who have said to me they don’t get a flu shot anymore because it, “gave them the flu.”
You should take people's word for what they've experienced. They didn't actually get the flu but they got flu-like symptoms from their immune system reacting to the vaccine. They phrase it wrong but from their perspective it's very similar to getting the flu. I think that not explaining properly this does lead to some unnecessary vaccine skepticism.
Okay. But this sentence, "While the symptoms were uncomfortable, and at times intense, they often went away after a day, sometimes sooner, according to three participants in the Moderna trial and one in Pfizer’s as well as a person close to another participant in Moderna’s trial," makes me extremely suspicious. The severity of the reported symptoms (were the "high" fevers verified by a nurse or doctor?), coupled with the short duration, sets off some red flags to me. It could have been food poisoning for all we know. People are very sensitive to suggestion, especially under stress. I think (and someone can correct me) subjects in a double-blind trial like this will eventually be informed if they got the real vaccine. I'm very curious to hear whether these people got the vaccine. I guarantee you that CNBC will not do a followup story.
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Well that's what tests are for isn't it. Consider re-evaluating whether the vaccine is safe enough once it comes out - vaccination helps everyone.
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What the fuck that's insane, link to this article?
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I mean a lot of vaccines make you feel like crap the day after you get it. I’m old enough to remember getting the MMR booster for high school and I felt like shit for a day after. One of the hepatitis vaccines made me feel kinda crappy too if I remember right. Feeling flu like after a vaccine can be a good thing, it means your immune system is really ramping up
According to the same article, the trial is double-blind. Unless I'm missing something, the person they interviewed doesn't know if they got the vaccine.
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I can't tell you how many people who have said to me they don't get a flu shot anymore because it, "gave them the flu." I'm sorry, but I'm extremely suspicious of people's first hand accounts of a medical trial that can't be verified. The person was maybe given a trial drug during a global pandemic. That's going to fuck with a person's head. Placebo effect is a real thing.
You should take people's word for what they've experienced. They didn't actually get the flu but they got flu-like symptoms from their immune system reacting to the vaccine. They phrase it wrong but from their perspective it's very similar to getting the flu. I think that not explaining properly this does lead to some unnecessary vaccine skepticism.
Okay. But this sentence, "While the symptoms were uncomfortable, and at times intense, they often went away after a day, sometimes sooner, according to three participants in the Moderna trial and one in Pfizer’s as well as a person close to another participant in Moderna’s trial," makes me extremely suspicious. The severity of the reported symptoms (were the "high" fevers verified by a nurse or doctor?), coupled with the short duration, sets off some red flags to me. It could have been food poisoning for all we know. People are very sensitive to suggestion, especially under stress. I think (and someone can correct me) subjects in a double-blind trial like this will eventually be informed if they got the real vaccine. I'm very curious to hear whether these people got the vaccine. I guarantee you that CNBC will not do a followup story.
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