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Liberals take heed: this is where reflexive Russophobia as a guiding principle will lead you
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I live in germany, and the Israeli movings in Syria aren't "a top story" in several news. It's like: "we better not talk about this".
I love being gaslit I love being gaslit I love being gaslit I love being gaslit
ITT: People becoming the very same pocket shirt, horseshoe-pattern baldness Cold War boomers screaming red-faced about Russia that their parents and grandparents were. Sad!
"I would have survived Generalplan Ost through demonstrating my superior hatred of the Russians!
"That reminded me of a Polish poem, though i forgot who wrote it, it goes something like that:
"Dziś nas straszycie komunistami, tak jak przed laty
Straszono naszych ojców nazwiskiem demokraty""You scare us with communists, like in the old time
our fathers were scared with the democrat name"The fact the Israel does war crimes does not excuse Russia doing war crimes. Both should be punished.
One of these is the enemy of you nation that you've been taught your whole life to warmonger against.
The other is your ally that your taxes pay for, and you supply the weapons for to commit genocide.
You have more of a responsibility to confront one than the other. Do you not understand this, or do you just like playing dumb to both sides everything and wash away your own guilt? You realize playing into your nations' imperialist warmongering narratives AND defending Israeli genocide with "both sides" crap doubles your sins, it doesn't cancel them out.
I'm not from us. My government does not contribute to Isreal at all. We hoever contribute as much aid to Palestine and Ukraine as we can. I'm not from a rich country, so it's a drop in a bucket..
if you are from part of the imperialist bloc of the west, yes you to contribute directly and indirectly to the western project of colonization.
If not, it's sad to see you've let western imperialist narratives colonize your mind
scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds, i'm very good at identifying and scratching them lol
Homophobia is your only response because you know i'm right and you've failed your revolutionary duty.
if you think these are anywhere on the same scale or barbarity then you're extremely misinformed about the world. Israel killed more civilians in a month then Russia did in 3 years.
War crimes are war crimes. It's not a contest who collects more or collects less. You make one that should be enough to get your economy crippled by others. Sadly, one is not punished enough, another not at all.
ok everyone in all wars ever are equally guilty of war crimes. Nazis? Exactly the same as Native Americans defending their homeland. It's all the same. War crimes are war crimes.
This is the brainrot of the liberal mind. The mechanism of "punishment" is more war, from the warmonger imperialists. You cannot 'punish' russia without cheering on western imperialist war. It's zero sum.
What are you talking about? The mechanism of punishment is sanctions. Isolation. Crippling economy. Not war. War is the choice of Russia. It can stop whenever it wants. Nobody is preventing it.
sanctions
Sanctions are an instrument of war, they kill millions. They are one of the primary tools of western imperialists. If you support western imperialist sanctions, you support their warmongering machine.
Isolation
How's that going for you lmao? West has only isolated themselves by revealing to the world their nazi loving, ISIS funding genocidal freakish natures. Applauding Nazis in their parliaments, cheering on Al Qaeda taking over Syria with Ukrainian support. You are just letting it all out and the world is seeing it.
Crippling economy
This is just another part of sanctions, see paragraph 1.
All of this is war or lead up and escalation to war. You want to "de-escalate by escalating" to "punish" the "bad countries" because you have a paternalistic, imperialistic mindset where you believe western nations hold the right to punish others.
It's hilarious how everyone of you NATOID leftists pretend to be above it all and "both sides are bad" but when we press you enough, you spout Kissinger-esque neocon dogma like you've been trained.
Nah, some of us just simply were to Russia, or come from communities that have dealt with their imperialism since a century or two...
No, form an ex Soviet satellite state. Been Ukraine a dozen times - typical eastern European shithole, worse off than my place tho. Been two or three times to Russia and that's a whole different story... Had a gun held to my head by FSB (while they were stealing our camera), was offered to be shot on the internal border by the soldiers another time. Stayed at Vladikavkaz and Moscow and do appreciate the warm cyberpunk-postapocalyptic vibe. Meet the most broken and ethically corrupt people Ive seen in quite a few years of travels (and I've been living for most of the last 15 years with Bealarusians and Russians who escaped that). Altogether a lovely place, but would prefer it doesn't visit my country again, its shit enough as it is.
And you? Been there, or do you only gaggle RT and believe what the TV told you?
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Mate, I got a pretty big bookshelf full of Russian authors and could name more Russian bands that I listen to regularly then you heard of most likely. Miss me with the russiophobia bullshit. You even know any actual Russians? Ever asked them about their country?
Come to America, you will meet so many racist white guys who love rap
Oh, ok, then clearly, I'm hiding my deep hatred for the other group of Slavs then the one I belong to, but not just the eastern ones, as I do seem to be living with Belorussians, and working with Ukrainians, it's only the ones supporting this one particular imperialist state. Just a simple racist, and I only let it slip by asking you people to prove anything of the bullshit you're spilling here like the mad fucked up sect you and your mates here are clearly. You got me.
look i appreciate ruzzian culture, i just want those orcs exterminated and put into their place
Nah, I'd prefer that Russia doesn't invade my region again. ~150 years of occupation was enough for us. Same goes for our neighboring countries.
then stop funding nazis and giving them weaponry, and oppose your government joining in on the western fascists' war against Russia. Do everything you can to push for peace and stopping weapon shipments.
The more entangled your nation gets in Ukraine, the more likely war will spread to you - and you will have nobody to blame but yourselves for allying with nazis and American imperialists.
Just after Kremlin stops funding nazis in my country, and most of Europe. Russia can stop the war anytime, it just needs to go back to it's borders, how hard can that be? Cuz if it's meant to stop a possible war with NATO that's clearly not going according to plan and at they are still mostly fighting NATO tech from the 80's operated by silly Ukrainians who had a few months of NATO training?
The more entangled your nation gets in Ukraine, the more likely war will spread to you
See, this type of russian propaganda fear-mongering doesent work on Polish people, because one - we have lived under Russian occupation or threat of invasion for the last 200 years, and two - we know that unless it stops in Ukraine the war will come to us soon after. Oh and three; dying heroically is the basis of national ethos here, if you took a few minutes to skim the history of the region about every generation Poles would have a suicidal uprising against the occupiers, well knowing it will fail.
Also in about a year Poland itself, without the rest of NATO, will have more main battle tanks and rocket artillery than Russia. There was a time when we were afraid as a society, but Ukraine clearly showed we can challenge Russian imperialism and increasingly likely - win.tl;dr come at us bro
Just after Kremlin stops funding nazis in my country
I would've thought you would appreciate the Nazis since back in '41 they brought you the liberation from Russia you so sorely desire
you've chosen your side, with the Banderites, Israelis, Al-Qaeda and American fascists. Have fun class traitor.
Have fun class traitor.
Funny thing I'm literally chilling after running trainings for trade unions for the last few days. I work for trade unions full time, while (separately) being a member of the most radical one in the country. You at least have a union card, or you only commie on the net?
Trade unionists who support Nationalism and Imperialism are class traitors. Thanks for further cementing what you are. Banderites are anti-communists who burned trade unionist halls down and slaughtered the trade unionists. You side with your enemies because, as I said, you are a traitor and deeply confused or reactionary.
Trade unionists who support Nationalism and Imperialism are class traitors
Yeah, I'd agree with that, absolutely. See, that's the fun part here; you're mostly arguing with a straw-man in your head, and not with someone who committed his life to class struggle but holds slightly different beliefs/optics than you do.
But also - so yeah, you're not even in a union, miserable keyboard warrior :D
when those different beliefs are "we should give weaponry to banderites to ethnically cleanse russians" then you've gone off the deep end and are fully a fascist. There's no coming back from it.
And where did I state that? Or going deeper into your delusions; if I'm a Polish nationalist, why would I want to arm banderites, of all people? They brutally butchered 50-120k Polish people; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Poles_in_Volhynia_and_Eastern_Galicia And how would one go ethnically cleansing 140 million Russians, especially using a comparably tiny, half-failed state of Ukraine, which for the most part is only operating inside of it's own borders? Do you really make any sens to yourself?
if I'm a Polish nationalist, why would I want to arm banderites, of all people?
A great question for all of your Polish nationalist friends and government, who all support the banderites.
Turns out your hatred for Russia supersedes your own self interests, so it goes with nationalism
Or maybe it's not say 60 million Slavs who are wrong, and you might be? Just a thought experiment -would we consider we might, you know - living here, better understand our self-interest than you do? Ever crossed your mind?
if you understood your own self interest the USSR would still be around. It's clear you have reactionaries and befuddled idiots running the show and the dominant ideology is the ideology of the ruling class. You've been colonized by the west and you have a false consciousness. You have not decolonized your mind.
Oh yeah, if workers didnt strike that they need to be able to eat, and a "communist" government wouldn't be sending tanks on them the Soviets would still be strong. I admire that logic. Just remind me please, who were the soviets meant to be representing?
It’s clear you have reactionaries and befuddled idiots running the show and the dominant ideology is the ideology of the ruling class.
Usually is. But then on the Ukrainian front lines you have everyone from normies to literal banderites, to anarchists.
And in every surrounding Slavic country, apart for one controlled by a pro-russian govt, there is massive support for the Ukrainian war effort over any political divisions. With the exception of tankie sects witch are microscopic around here, because people actually remember the regimes and what they did, and the far-right which is simply sponsored by Kremlin, or just at this level of being bootlickers cheering for any strongman.
You have not decolonized your mind.
Again you know and understand shit about the history and the region. Poland used to be a imperialist state at some point (actually took Moscow btw - just a fun fact regarding your attempt at fearmongering). But majority of Polish population were slaves to the gentry. Then as a "nation" we progressed to being occupied for 150 years (Russia, Prusia, Austro-Hun's), went thought two world wars, winning a war against CCCP in between, got occupied by nazis and soviets in the beginning of WW2 and ended up de-facto occupied by CCCP after WW2. So the colonialism that's in the culture is not a western one - that we have since say 35 years at best. This generation has little to say in Polish politics as of yet. But the colonialism we're de-colonizing as a society is the old Polish and the Russian one, my dear friend. And we're going strong at it, which seems to be your problem exactly.
You did notice it is a critique of it at the same time? Simply trying to explain that it's hard to scare with war citizens of a country which public education teaches it's kids songs glorifying child soldiers. We even got some monuments if that was not clear enough for the youngsters...
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_InsurrectionistBTW Russia does the same, and at least we don't have to play assembling AK's in primary school. That's for high-school as it should be.
That's a whole lot of words to say "capitalist Russia sucks in the same ways as every other place we've destabilized, and I have done no inquiry into the causality behind why because it confirms my priors to simply believe that "Russians" (which russians?) are just ontologically bad somehow"
Granting your nazi ass a seriousness it doesn't deserve for a second to talk to the other libs, this is where nationalism brain fails as a way of viewing the world. All you can talk about is Russia this and Ukraine that, as if we're talking about hive minds. All liberals do this, implying a unity that doesn't exist to paper over the reality of class warfare that actually drives these wars. As long as your analysis is built on assumptions of countries as single unified beings (a fairy tale for children) you will always fail to grasp the real causes of state actions.
Nah, I'm just pointing out it's a deeply corrupt, deeply violent authoritarian state. Been to China, been to some "3rd world" countries, and my own was a bloody neo-lib laboratory on the verge of collapse for most of my youth years and it's still all very different from Russia. Ukraine is very much an effect of destabilization efforts, that I could easily agree. But Russia? It had a system that it's leaders run to the ground themselves, a system that starved the "breadbasket" of Europe, and that went bankrupt despite having every possible resource earth could give. In the process it also destroyed the humanity of it's loyal subjects and corrupted the rest of forced them to run. Maybe it's just me, but it would seem to be the theme of any Russian counter-culture text and song over the lat 40 years as well, have a song, or another one. And now it has a government that reignites old nationalist and threatens to either invade or nuclear annihilate my country about every month (in voices of state figures, not some randos).
Fan fact in calling me a nazi in defense of Russia (apart from the fact I'm a well known antifa organiser); a family member was in the military intelligence (of the underground "Home Army") over WW2. He took part in some wild missions, like obtaining V2 rocket and delivering it to allies (as the Soviets were still cooperating with Nazis, would have be closer...). The guy went through Warsaw Uprising, the biggest antifascist uprising of WW2 (and arguably the most mindless suicide attack on nazis at a country level scale). But he survived both that and the concentration camp afterwards. And than he barely survived half a year of torture in soviet run prison. He did so only, as they never figured out his rank, he'd be shot as all other officers were. Never recovered from what they did to him tho. Wasn't the gestapo, wasn't plain fighting in a guerilla warfare against the nazis for over 5 years, it was the commissars that got him. Impressively that's the type of "anti-nazism" you favor, still.
If only there was a term for believing everyone that doesn't share your exact vision of the world is an enemy to be dehumanized and destroyed...So anyway - fuck you, and enjoy the rest of the evening in your own shit. I'm off for a walk in a lovely snow covered hills.
This is some professional level obliviousness, willful ignorance, and weaponized misunderstanding on display. Bravo.
Sorry, your right. I must stand corrected; by the time Polish underground went V2 shopping Soviets were not best friends with Nazis anymore.
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Here, have some context. You guys cant stand the fact, that someone might be anti-imperialist; anti-US but also anti-Russian imperialism? Is it that hard to comprehend?
1: You literally don't know what imperialism is
2: You posted this three hours ago, and haven't stopped posting since:
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When are you going for that walk?
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It's cold and dark outside, it's not like I would spend the rest of the night out mate... Was going to stop, but you'r sect keeps on coming and it's funny in a way - see you people deeply unable to prove any of your beliefs and hitting with the most tried and miss-target arguments you can pull.
But also, pleas do provide your definition of imperialism!
Please, tell us more about how the Soviet Union was itching to join the Anti-Comintern Pact.
Ive no idea what tankie conspiracy your referencing right now, im not that much into this lore.
Ive no idea what tankie conspiracy your referencing right now, im not that much into this lore.
You don't know about the alliance between Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan? I knew you were ignorant, but come on.
It's different outlets as well, you see. PBS doesn't have a material about the most recent attack, but pretty much every recent material they have is negative for Israel, two straight out discussing genocide. Which the Russians also attempt to commit against Ukrainians denying them their right for self--determination, my dear Russian friend.
war is not the same as genocide, Russia has deliberately avoided hitting civilian targets and allowed evacuations. More civilians killed by Israel in a month than by Russia in a much broader war over 3 years. Israel are purposeful genocidal child killers. Russians are professionally prosecuting a conventional war.
war is not the same as genocide, Russia has deliberately avoided hitting civilian targets and allowed evacuations.
According to whom, Russia Today?
More civilians killed by Israel in a month than by Russia in a much broader war over 3 years
Source for this stat please, cuz just from what I'm seeing that's such an absurd lie I'm amazed you actually try to push it.
Israel are purposeful genocidal child killers
True.
Russians are professionally prosecuting a conventional war.
https://t.me/NeoficialniyBeZsonoV/42094 - using open channel cheap radios and getting slaughtered or https://t.me/NeoficialniyBeZsonoV/42053 using taxis to evacuate the wounded? That's a Russian mil blogger in a span of few days. There's thousands of examples like that if you just pull your head out of your ass and actually read anything else than propaganda. Seriously, even just read the Russian millblogers directly. Russian soldiers are mistreated to such a degree that it is genuinely sad to hear it. They are as much hated for their crimes as they are despised for their competency with their utterly criminal leadership.
Browse though some of this; https://mastodon.social/@ChrisO_wiki - some sources I can easily accept as likely western propaganda, but most is sourced from Russian channels directly. Have fun reading about the professionalism of Russian army.Oh, you've seen a Russian generals take on the whole Syrian affair? https://video.echelon.pl/w/mmbpbaAADwnu7K1tA7iGnv
two straight out discussing genocide
Wow it only took them two years to admit it, huh, wonder what changed
PBS? Ive no idea of their reporting over last two years and honestly neither care nor believe you do.
denying them their right for self--determination
You mean Obomba and then-VP Joe Bellend at the end of 2013 denied Ukraine the right to elect their own president
Yeah, the next was was air dropped, and so the next one. And neither caused anywhere near the same outrage as the russian puppet with his golden shitter and a party train. Wonder how could that be explained.
You don't have right wing media funded by western billionaires driving the temperature constantly upwards in your country?
Our conservative right wing media was mostly funded by our Kremlin-aligned government for most of the last decade, and of course they did. A Russian influence agent is running a Rwanda style hate radio/tv fundamentalist catholic empire here as well for that very reason. The neo-con/"liberal" media are western funded and mostly busy with trying to get their guys into power in a classic bi-partisan manner. But what does that change for Ukrainian politics? Ukrainians are supported by most of the nation in spite of political divides, even the fascist nationalists had to claim they are supporting refugees not to fall out of favor.
Kremlin-aligned government
Me when I want to make having completely normal relations with a directly neighboring country sound sinister, when everyone knows that a Ukraine with true self determination obviously welcomes an administration installed by a US backed coup in order to use the country as a forward outpost/cannon fodder in their ceaseless aggression and military encirclement of their geopolitical targets.
The only part of Russia Poland neighbors is a military base enclave. And your "everyone" is your sect that will attack any division from your firmly held beliefs particularly one asking for evidence as showcased here over and over.
Oh and the alignment meant was mostly in authoritarian control over media, judiciary, level of corruption, blocking any public hearings of new laws, supercharging the parliamentary process to stifle opposition or any discussion of new law, unprecedented (since the old regime collapse) usage of surveillance against opposition, usage of far right paramilitary groups against mass feminist protests and so on. You know policies more popular in Moscow than anywhere else.
Might be the reason why Kremlin supports far-right parties all over Europe and in US, and you people are willful enablers of that.You are either very credulous or intentionally engaging in bad faith, and I don't much care to figure out which
Cheers, learned a new word. Love the western well educated leftists come to explain the world to us stupid Slavs. Thanks!
Or you missed clear evidence, admissions and so on of Russia sponsoring Le Pen, AFD, Austrian or US fascists? Like, this stuff is public, there's a ton of sources. Proving the case for their infiltration of the PiS party would be harder, since it's investigative jurno books in Polish mostly.
Well it's explained very easily.
Double standards, white supremacy, western chauvinism, the
Major Western media outlets were hyperventilating over the war in Ukraine being fought against a "developed Western nation" with it not being a "Middle Eastern country". This was literally verbatim on major outlets and I personally saw the fascistic rhetoric play out against the refugees fleeing Obomba's drones from 10 years ago, in contrast.
Or take the Nordstream gas pipeline bombings 2 years ago. Once it was figured out that AmeriKKKans blew up the pipelines, it was swept under the rug. Had Russia been the culprit, people (especially here in Estonia) would be screaming about it nonstop still. BTW, my energy/communal fees are literally like €70 higher because of this.
The people who were fanatically chanting "Slava Ukraini" are the exact same people recording themselves blowing up children and apartment towers in Gaza with their iPhone 15 Pro Max, while also making thinly-veiled (or even open) bomb threats over "the hostages".
Oh and "Slava Ukraini" is in a semi-literal way written with the blood of Palestinian children.
Death to AmeriKKKa
I remember how everyone in my country who have opinions for a living were clutching their pearls saying "war in Europe" as if it was orders of magnitude worse than war everywhere else.
it was Americans and if you believe otherwise you are literally braindead
Oh really? I can't imagine Ukraine having the means to sabotage it, given the location being near Poland. Meanwhile Bellend (and the US in general) had very clear motives and the means to sabotage it so the EU would be forced to buy much more expensive LNG from AmeriKKKans.
Either way, it's not hard to see why there's no outrage over the fact.
Actually Poland and Ukraine had a much clearer motive, the only other piplines cross there. Also here you have Russian generals take on the issue: https://video.echelon.pl/videos/watch/a4c80ebc-8f70-40c8-85a4-51bc794a8487
Major Western media outlets were
Dont care
Once it was figured out that AmeriKKKans blew up the pipelines, it was swept under the rug.
Last ive seen most likely Ukrainians operating out of Poland unbotherd by Polish services, as its a shared strategic objective for both countries. BTW you do know that Nordstream2 was turned off months earlier by Russia to blackmail Germany?
The people who were fanatically chanting
The what? Its start overstreached but finishes so absurd I wont even attempt any logic.
Death to AmeriKKKa
This I could support. Also death to Russia and every other imperialism (incl European and Chinese).
There's litterally nothing you could do to lower my opinion of western leftiests anymore, I come into these discussions knowing this is the top level of an argument you could master. Fucking imperialist scum.
Why the fuck would anyone care what your opinion is? "Don't care"
Why do these pigeon playing chess assholes always think their opinion is so important that everyone has to fucking tap dance for them?
And yet the best the crowd of you could master is replaying cheap propaganda straight of RT and freaking out when its questioned or any scrutiny is applied.
You should just shut up and go away now. You already flipped the chessboard. Now you want to act like you're still a serious person worth taking seriously in this serious conversation? It's buffoonish.
So where are the pics of the 10 year of arty barrage over Donbas? Have fun finding them.
Oh yeah, give me a few more of this comrade, your praxis is so in line with the party.
Fucking western leftists. Single guy with a gun achived more for class war in few days then you shits over last 50 years. How does that feel?
My homeboys took down a fascist Apartheid ethnostate 30 years ago, but pop off ig
I also helped contribute to the IDF and Pissad getting their networks disrupted, forcing them to spend tens of thousands each month for network security. Who knows, maybe me and a bunch of mates vaporising the IDF's internal DNS helped a Palestinian escape to South Africa and/or some skid getting blasted in the arse by a Yassin-105.
And since you asked so nicely,
Yeah forgot to add your a Navy seal sniper. Love the tales of you exploits against one of the most fucked up and advanced APT's, tell us more. Greets from Warsaw Hackerspace scriptie wannabe.
The neat part is we didn't need scripts to
the piSSraeli military servers, lmfao.Also I'm not a Navy Seal sniper. I'm actually Juba.
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You know you asked some hours ago as to why there was no outrage over Obomba overthrowing Ukraine a decade ago, yet people in the street over Russia going to war? I provided an explanation actually, even with the double standards present. You responded with "don't care", which is certainly telling to say the least.
Maybe you better re-read what you wrote, and what the actual question was. Have fun, I'm off.
If that's what genocide is, then it's good to know you support Ukraine's genocide in the Donbas Republics, or America's genocide of Ukraine. Don't forget, we did the coup, we did the union house massacre, we overturned the election, we installed the nazis who are kidnapping people off the streets at gunpoint. We destroyed Ukraine's self-determination to turn them into an unwilling suicide bomb against Russia.
My dear Russian friend
Your brain is fully cooked by nationalist ideology and the desire to live in a conspiracy thriller movie
Your brain is fully cooked by nationalist ideology and the desire to live in a conspiracy thriller movie
Posters IRL name is Dimitry, doesn't sound like your typical native KKKanadian.
Yeah now honestly the union house masacre of two thing, how does that compare to daily russian bombardment of civi targets?
how does that compare to daily russian bombardment of civi targets?
How does that compare to Ukraine constantly shelling the donbas for the last 10 years? Denying Russian Ukrainians their pensions? Literally engaging in genocide by making use of Russian illegal and shit like that?
Have you seen pictures of Bakhmut after half a year of battle? How was anything still standing in Donbas after supposably 10 years of bombardment? This is such a deeply absurd propaganda point, how could anyone fall for that?
Pull up any random picture of Donbas and Bakhmut right now and tell me if you spot a difference.
You are just now discovering the concept of linear time and causality
You're arguing a thing in the past didn't happen because of 'common sense' bullshit
Why not just look it up
OK, fast search; US propaganda site with a good selection of satellite photos. Show me something remotly of this scale from any Kremlin or whichever you want sources for Donbas city.
Why? Your point is a red herring either way. The scale of destruction when two nation states fight a dug in war is different from a nation state suppressing a regional separatist movement? Premise granted. So?
Just let me know when we can go back to the original argument
You're claiming 10 years of bombardment. That should somehow show, no?
What was your original point again? Ukr massive brutal arty fires that leave no trace, they fact that... they did not pay pensions to people in territories occupied by Russia? Or the bullshit about Russian being illegal, which it is not?
Oh no, I think it was your argument that the death of two shitheads at the hands of other nationalist shitheads justifies this war, and daily civilian death from Rus arty. Sure, sounds like any reasonable argument from me could help here...
Do you think you're a wizard or something? You can just erase history by being smug enough?
What exactly are you arguing? That the war never happened? Idiot clown.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Donbas There. One of the few times a wikipedia link actually accomplishes something.
Delete your account NATO shill
Found them!
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Oh no, sorry, that's Russias work few kilometers north. So what about any evidence? You guys are just a cult aren't you? You don't even have anything to use as a proof other than a lie you've heard so many times you believed it?
OAS are liars? They're your guys, western stooges - and even they admit there were tens of thousands of ceasefire violations with explosive ordinance against Donetsk
Told you, I'm not into your sect's lore, you have to drop a link or I've no idea what you're talking about. And still if there were thousands of rounds, it should be very clearly visible wouldn't it? Why cant any of you produce a single image that would showcase it like the one above?
Notice how you say "civic targets" to imply bombing civillians like we and our allies do, when what you're actually talking about is striking power stations? I know that's what you actually mean, because if you or anyone in the capitalist propaganda sphere had evidence of "daily russian bombardment" of civillians, we would never hear the end of it. This is a weak deflection with no weight behind it.
Since you definitely truly care about human life, what do you think about the US-backed nazi junta's 8 years of bombings and terror raids targeted specifically at civillians? Their own people too, which I hear is apparently extra evil in the eyes of liberals who weigh morality by the fiction of statehood. Seems like the kind of thing that should have a more self-aware person clamoring for regime change there, too. But then, you're literally lying for nazis right now. There's no bar too low for you to ooze under.
Mate there's a daily stream of bombed out housing blocks, supermarkets, hospitals and markets. Just do a fast search, or check r/Ukraine if you need to.
You're saying things a decade ago didn't happen because there's damage from things happening now
That's very stupid
Tell me, why would >>Russian citizens<< stay in Donbas under this constant bombardment if they could anytime move say 50km and be out of range of anything Ukraine had untill 2-3 years ago? They heroically die for motherlands propaganda machine or their country not only wouldent protect nor would allow them to move?
People in Gaza figured out if the Israeli genocidal state is bombing them it makes sense to run. But there's not much territory there to hide. Russia on the other hand does seem to have... a bit more to get out of range why not offer it at least to the willing? Why no satellite evidence, especially compared to how Bakhmut or Mauriopol looked after a few months of Russian operations? You ever attempt to reality check what you believe, even if its with the best intentions?
These were Ukrainian citizens who spoke Russian and lived in Ukraine all their lives, and before that the USSR. Why wouldn’t they move? Because their grandparents fought the demons from the west and so will they, because they are brave and don’t just accept ethnic cleansing but fight back.
Every generation a new batch of swastika wearing fascist westerners invade Russia, you don’t think they are ready for your shit?
Threatening people to move prior to terror-bombing is some next-level
right here.
All I'm saying is if they were bombed, they could easily escape it, or Russia could easily destroy to guns used, since Ukr didn't have any serious long range artillery until recently. So either Russia was unwilling, or the people did not feel threatened or something is off here.
There are millions of Ukrainian citizens who speak Russian and were persecuted. You are saying “why didn’t Russia just accept massive population transfers and millions of refugees”? Ukraine was attempting ethnic cleansing of its own citizens. Why should this be accepted, an illegitimate coup government driving millions from their homes?
You think it’s fine because you are a Russophobic fascist as I have said. You don’t care about people if they speak Russian you think they deserve to die of be driven from their homes, you have the same attitude Americans do about Palestinians.
What I'm getting from your disjointed screed is that you're implying that the Donbas shelling is a hoax. You nazi pieces of shit will say anything
drunk hobos
Ah, so the "well known antifa organizer" is doing a "like homeless people, I do not respect you as a human being" thing. Lovely.
Lmao Polish and German Antifa at this point should just rebrand to “fa”
Id mostly associate that with hobos as in crusty punks from US, but generally meant a rambling drunk. Feel free to strawman whatever you want ofc.
Oh no just dont report me to the authorities, please!
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lold. Fucken misserable bootlickers. Why cant you just come up with clear visual evidence? Come on, 10 years of destruction and genocide over artillery, that has to leave a massive mark like you know the sort of these images of Marinka:
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As destroyed by Russia. So if this stuff documented and possible to show is not genocide of Ukrainians, but there was a genocide of... russian-speaking Ukrainians in one particular area - whers the proof?
There is no way you are actually this ignorant, so you're clearly just full of shit.
So... no evidence still? You know you should try to actually prove a point not only demand someone to accept it so such an accusation will work?
