yeah he killed six children. so what? do you think leaders dont kill innocent people all the fucking time either directly or indirectly?? it was totally worth it to escape their prison after hundreds of years of closure. if toriel wants to be a moralist and doesnt want you, who cares, you litteral king uwu

  • Ytse [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Asgore was a coward but I still like him. Old mate could've just crossed the barrier to get the souls himself though

    • Reversi [none/use name]
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      4 years ago

      "Asgore was a coward" is an odd way to look at it.

      Dude loses a war (or his father did), probably expects he'll lose it again. He wants to help his people. He also doesn't want to kill anyone anymore.

      If he violently collects the souls from across the barrier and frees everyone, they get slaughtered by machine guns and missiles. If he does nothing, his people eventually have a Malthusian catastrophe. Sitting and waiting for random people to fall and harvest their souls (by force or by old age) is cold, but it makes sense for someone like him.

      Someone with a hereditary status with no way out due to personal obligation. So he's indecisive, sure. But deliberating between a fast glorious death or a slow plodding one when the possibility of another option could come up--which it does, by the way--doesn't come across as cowardly.

      Edit: If you couldn't tell, I find Asgore and Toriel's story the most interesting part of the whole game.

      • Ytse [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Yeah coward isn't really the best way to put it. I still feel that if didn't want to kill anyone he could have tried crossing and brokering an agreement to break the barrier. It's obvious from the pacifist ending that humans are pretty receptive to peace when the game takes place.

        Also if he were to actually go to war surely he'd wipe the floor. Wasn't the whole thing that seven or eight souls makes a monster into a god? I don't fully remember that part

        • yawntastic [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          I thought that was Asriel/Flowey, who's a monster/human hybrid at that point.

        • UmbraVivi [he/him, she/her]
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          4 years ago

          Also if he were to actually go to war surely he’d wipe the floor. Wasn’t the whole thing that seven or eight souls makes a monster into a god? I don’t fully remember that part

          I'd imagine if that were so, surely the monsters would've won the initial war

  • skeletorsass [she/her]
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    4 years ago

    Your people continue being trapped indefinitely, but you personally get to feel kinda good about not harming any children.

  • Owl [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Toriel was mad at him for choosing to wait for seven random people to fall into the domain of monsters so he could kill them, when he could've either been a pacifist, or killed the first one and used that power to go through the barrier and find six more to kill. She's right. I still like him.

  • stevaloo [they/them, she/her]
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    4 years ago

    Mettaton Ex/Asgore seems to have more in terms of quantity, but the context of Mettaton Ex/Burgerpants’ relationship is the perfect set up for humiliation.