No, this is not "murdered by words" or "epic comeback" you dolts! This is not some gotchya that's going to force your enemies to reconsider their position with facts and logic or whatever! This is just restating their position!
Its totally internally consistent! They believe abortion is murdering a person, and they believe that the state executing a person for murder isn't itself murder! They are wrong, and they are evil, they are NOT confused about it. Shut the fuck up!
Libs have terminal west wing brain. They cannot imagine wielding power against their (internal, wealthy, white) political enemies, but if they get in a few more zingers they'll change everyone's mind and Trump will step down and appoint Hillary as president.
LE EPIC CLAPBACK is when we let the fash do whatever we want but we tut at them loudly to know we disapprove
What really pisses me off is how libs would have the ultimate comeback to this if they were on the side of humanity instead of supporting the same genocide that those evangelical chuds do
It'd go something like this: "You want to tell me that you oppose killing babies while you continue to support the mass starvation of literal infants? You're claiming to be empathetic towards unfeeling clumps of fetal cells but you can't spare any for the actual crying babies in Gaza being burned to ash with the support of the same religion that tells you abortion is wrong. If there is a heaven you will never see it, you will burn in the darkest pit of hell with no chance of redemption even should you have a change of your shriveled rotting heart"
Maybe to 'normal' people but not to Evangelicals or even those adjacent to them (Bill Clinton literally deployed the Evangelical excuse on Palestinian protestors within the last 10 months). And it seems a large amount of the Christians in the US hew close to the Evangelical feeling on this so it's not just self-identified Evangelicals but the overall Christian population for which this can hit a brick wall.
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In the Evangelical minds: Those fetuses may be white fetuses and could become Christians, god has a positive plan for them, those Palestinians are heathens who work in service to a false religion and are defying god's plan for establishing 'israel' and bringing about the end times. As in their holy book their god has commanded the massacre by certified (by god) 'good guys' of men, women, even children and in fact done so himself with a great genocidal flood these Palestinians are disposable because they are in the way of the holy plan and in fact have stolen what god gave to the ancient Jews. In their minds the Palestinians should have simply left, gotten out of the way, they believe instead they are fighting the holy plan, the holy claims to land, the process and thus god himself.
It's divine command morality. That is that which god commands is good. God can make rules like murder is bad BUT god can also carve out exceptions to those rules and this is one of those exceptions. So they know they'll see their heaven because they're doing violence for their god, they're willing to kill for their god. They're willing to kill to ensure the end times comes and their god's plan comes to fruition.
It doesn't have to follow some ironclad non-divine logic like utilitarianism or something, it just has to follow the basic rules or exist in one of the many wide carve-outs to those rules and their interpretations.
At the end of the day they have a line which hand-waves away any problems with the process itself and that is that god works in mysterious ways.
In this case those mysterious ways are having occupiers butcher children with clear evidence of atrocities that go way beyond collateral damage. They believe for example in a story of a king, I want to say perhaps David but I'm possibly mixing it up, this king was not a good and obedient Jew or Christian but he did serve god's purposes in a very realpolitik way so was elevated by god and commanded to be celebrated by god despite him doing sinful things on the side because he served the greater purpose. And these Palestinians being murdered also serves that greater purpose. And there is a tale in The Bible of god's army defeating an enemy people and god commanding them to kill all the men and boys but to keep the girls alive for their own uses (yes that's exactly what it sounds like). Anyone who can look at that and say that's a basis for morality should have zero issue excusing this.
It's perfectly logically consistent within their worldview, you can't force outside morality on it except by incredible violence and threat and really the only way to tear it down is to poke holes in the underlying ideology, attack the basis of their belief-system and undermine it which takes way more than a couple of conversations, I'm talking months, years of patient effort back and forth, reading their arguments and responding to them and in many cases they at some point dip out anyways and refuse to engage further in logical argument meaning you may have wasted months on them. They're lead by people fully invested in this way of thinking and have been since the end of WW2.
Yeah this kind of not understanding the mindset of these Evangelical misogynists is very frustrating.
It's like, you live in a country that regularly murders the poor, those with insurance who don't have enough money to pay out of pocket for what's denied, the homeless, POC for existing, that regularly murders people thousands of miles away across the world to uphold its imperialist hegemony and cheap treats and yet you are shocked that the Evangelicals whose holy book justifies massacring and SA'ing girls, that justifies killing rpe victims if they don't cry out loud enough to be heard, that forces rpe victims to marry their assailant, that has inspired the thinking that disobedient women are possessed or witches for a thousand years, that has enforced and upheld patriarchy and the absolute rule of men over women's lives and bodies for centuries, that has Paul (Saul or Tarsus) saying he will not permit a woman to be in authority over a man, would be like this.
Misunderstanding the context in which you operate, in which your enemy operates this badly is dangerous. You're going to lose if your movement writ-large can't grasp those things.
hehe, this cop contradicted himself. Isn't he dumb? brains spill out onto the pavement with smirk still on face
You don't understand, it's not murder when the state does it!
Or when the police does it...
Or when the victim is black and homeless...
Or when the victim is at a BLM protest...
The rules are too complicated for me actually.