I'm so sick and tired of libs demanding that students juggle scholarship applications, working, studying, and fucking starving in order to get through college.
Y'know what? I don't think students should have to fucking work during school and it is fcked up that we've normalized grinding people into dust in order to achieve an education.
Oh, and fuck you if you have a learning disability and can't do both school and work. Guess it's poverty for you, buddy.
Hell, one of my buddies worked full time at Home Depot selling appliances and nearly paid for full time college cash every semester. (May have had a sports scholarship)
Enhance!
nearly paid for full time college cash every semester. (May have had a sports scholarship)
Enhance!
(May have had a sports scholarship)
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because there is not enough time in a day for a full practice and workout in the early morning, three to five hours of class, eight hours of wage labor, and still enough time to study, complete assignments, feed yourself and wash your ass and still wake up in time to do it the next day.So either they're lying, or this person went to college part time and graduated in 6+ years, or they worked full time for three months out of the year and part time the rest, or they just didn't learn anything and picked a major that allowed them to graduate without doing virtually any work. What a rosy outlook for the public education system!!
Edit: or they ordered doordash/Uber eats every day on Dad's credit card, in which case thanks for subsidizing my education as well
I worked a full time job, a part time job, and did college at the same time.
My 4 year degree took significantly more than 4 years and wrecked my health because of stress and sleep deprivation.
If I was a hustlegrinding asshole I'd demand other people do that, but no, I'd rather they don't, except maybe as a punishment for hustlegrinding assholes after the revolution.
I did the last six months of grad school full time with full time work, and despite one period of about 60 days where 9-5 weekend classes meant Saturday and Sundays were taken up so I didn't have a day off for that entire period, I enjoyed it.
However I also recognise that's an insane response and wouldn't ever want anyone to be in a position to need to do that.
They even say that he had a "useless degree" which means that he would have been better off just not going to college in the first place.
Though some people's idea of a "useless degree" is anything that's not Engineering or coding or some shit.
True, though if he's some kind of hustle grindset dweeb like the guy telling the story makes him sound, I'd imagine he's in business.
yeah but i'm pretty sure that a bachelors in business isn't worth shit.
They can't help telling on themselves because so many of them actually believe as the Main Character that their heroic tale of rags to riches needs all the fine details like the small loan of a million dollars
College students should be malnourished and work 14 hours a day
College students should be paid for going to college since it's job trainingI appreciate the sentiment but I don't think college should be thought of as job training. College is for mental enrichment.
In theory, yes it should be.
In practice, most people don't have the luxury of picking a major for mental enrichment unless it happens to pay well because they're not in a financial position to assume tens of thousands of dollars of debt for that luxury.
I get that there's appeal in the image of a bohemian with an arts history degree struggling to make it by or whatever, but in this economy and ever diminishing social safety net, it's not exactly a rational choice to do that.
So, if we are expected to jump through all these hoops boomers never had to, especially white boomers. They're the weak men that have created the hard times?
No they drive a very manly truck with their wrap-around oakleys and that makes them very hard men.
I was making fun of the type of people who maintain a carefully cultivated consumer identity of traditional masculininty, yes.
A 'little effort' here is working a full time job while also taking 12-15 units?
I did exactly that: I had a full time job, a part time job, and 12-15 units a semester because that was the only way for the former to pay for the latter as well as my living expenses.
And it wrecked my health for years.
I would not wish the same on anyone, except maybe in a
way for bootlickers pretending it's a sustainable and reasonable expectation for students to go through.
: "But bro...it's hard mode bro. Doncha feel tough, bro!? In exchange, you're gonna get bragging rights bro, those sissies in Europe will sure feel stupid when they see how tough you are bro."The belief that "I suffered, therefore everyone should suffer as least as much as I did" is so fucking alien to me. I don't wish what I went through on strangers, let alone anyone I know and care about. I'd wish a special focused version of my toil experience on smug hustlegrind chuds, but even then at a measured "shut the fuck up" level at best.
I suffered, therefore everyone should suffer as least as much as I did.
"Kids these days have it easy" is the same vibe. I should fucking hope they have it easier than we did, isn't that the whole point of civilization or whatever? It's such an odd thing to be mad about. It's also not true, but that's something else.
Record-high depression rates, but yeah sure it's because they're "soft" or whatever.
Were you like a parking attendant doing schoolwork on the clock?
Were you abusing stimulants?
I worked 1 full time job and a full load and was always working and doing the wolf-sleep thing.
How did you manage?
I worked retail in two places within walking distance of each other.
I did a lot of caffeine, yeah, and experienced side effects up to and including very uncomfortable chest pain and tremors. I also had insomnia to the point of hallucinations, cold sweats, and some kidney problems that were later resolved before they became more permanent.
I didn't manage all that well. My emotional health was terrible, too. The one mental trick that kept me going was believing, alternating from one belief to another, that work was a break from school and school was a break from work.
The one mental trick that kept me going was believing, alternating from one belief to another, that work was a break from school and school was a break from work.
A lesson in how doublethink is so prevalent as a coping strategy, I guess
I hope you've recovered at least physically from all that
I'm in much better health now. I'm not getting any younger, but my 20s had so much stress that in a lot of ways I feel better now than I did then, in my 40s.
and some kidney problems that were later resolved before they became more permanent.
what were the symptoms?
working full time while going to school full time is a high effort way to squeeze out on a lot of enriching opportunities that only exist through school: student organization/activism, extracurricular research, scholarship competitions, conferencing, independent study/overseas studies, etc. it's one thing to work while in school to keep a roof over your head and food in your belly, but it's something else to do it to avoid loans. i know loans are predatory and shitty, but they can't repossess your knowledge, experience, social capital, and connections.
guarantee the guy who "worked full time at home depot" and "may have had a sports scholarship" to graduate debt free with a "useless degree" absolutely compounded the uselessness of his education by focusing only on the credential. i mean, jesus, at least get a campus gig.
Don't want college students having free time to organize against things like war, gotta crush em.
Those social opportunities are better at getting set later in life than the degree.
Networking is more powerful than a resume. Yeah it’s basically a form of nepotism. Being in a frat in college is likely to give a better outcome than working full time to graduate without debt.
yeah, the frat society b.s. is proof of concept. frats are how elites baked in the social capital on top of the academic credential. however, the option for a better alternative is there to: joining or starting a chapter to some national some give-a-fuck organization, or being an active participant of the [insert interest here] club. the networking value can be realized a lot of different ways. maybe it won't launch a recent grad into some bullshit executive pipeline at JP Morgan Chase or BP, but whomst among us was trying to go that route anyway?
Yeah like, these days your degree is only "worth" something on the job market if you've got the internship/job/research experience to complement it. Ignoring that necessity so you can work more hours and act all smug when you graduate debt-free is akin to tying your shoelaces together at the start of a ten mile hike. Good way to ensure that your "useless degree" is indeed economically useless to yourself.
Edit: by lib logic anyway, hope that's clear
This just in: A man who survived swimming across a dangerous river is now mad that they want to build a bridge.
"I survived cancer, so by god I am going to lobby against any cure for it because fuck you"
"Listen, Jack. My son died of cancer therefore no one is allowed to have more affordable treatment, or have a better outcome, ever."
A man who survived by crawling over the bodies of those who didn't make it.
And then in the next breath they'll complain about how when they were kids they were so wild, they partied and had fun, not like todays kids. And then, breath after that, they explain how any rule breaking should be the death penalty for children.
Yeah. I think one of the most depressing parts of my education was a professor (who went to the same university) telling me how different the student experience was 40 years ago. He told stories about storming each other's dorms, off-milk water balloon fights, breaking into the canteen kitchens to cook after nights out, operating all sorts of delicate science equiptment extremely drunk, etc etc etc. The sort of college shenanigans you see in films and assume are made up. Then he asked what the equivalent is for my friends. I had to explain that we studied ourselves into ill health and went into crunch for weeks for the sake of getting top grades, then tried to sleep or distract ourselves with videogames. Maybe go to a bar occasionally. It really illustrated that massive parts of my life aren't normal and shouldn't be normal.
Apparently this anxiety and constant demands of perfection are new. Its a generational thing. Its not normal to have never failed anything and be fucking paralyzingly terrified of ever doing so. He was so upset at how lame and depressing modern kids are, that the spirit of the university is apparently gone, but at least he had the decency to be upset at the culture rather than us. I wonder what it felt like before, if kids were freer?
storming each other's dorms, off-milk water balloon fights, breaking into the canteen kitchens to cook after nights out, operating all sorts of delicate science equiptment extremely drunk, etc etc etc
You get expelled for that stuff now! They actually punish you for it so you cant do any of that stuff anymore even if you had the free time!
You get expelled for less than that - half those would probably be felonies now...
Honestly I feel like a lot of that was just another of the benefits of imperialism we had in the imperial core which have slowly been reclaimed by the bourgeoisie. Less people went to college which mean the standards were lower, which meant they could fuck around more. Fewer educated people also means less competition in the job market. Also of course incomes stopped rising in the '70s but prices kept increasing which meant that they were literally spending less on everything despite making/having the same relative amount of money.
And then in the next breath they'll complain about how when they were kids they were so wild, they partied and had fun, not like todays kids. And then, breath after that, they explain how any rule breaking should be the death penalty for children.
Massive
tier hypocrisy.
I got "back in my day'd" by my lead at work who makes at minimum 2 grand more than me, but with the pay scale, he should be making significantly more, and we're both part of a union that's been fighting for a better pay scale for new employees for a while because it's no longer sustainable.
We're supposed to be on the same team, wtf, you're licking the wrong boots.
I wonder what they spray on the boot leather cause it must taste good
As a person who enjoys literally licking leather boots, I was taught to just use a small lather of gentle leather conditioner and a bit of water. You can polish them too, and that you'll wanna be careful with polish, find something that is edible and non-toxic. Boot blacking and leather care is a whole thing, and it's super hot if you're into that.
So you're homeless and starving huh? Why didn't you of just think of putting in a little effort?
Every person with this attitude was born with a silver spoon in their mouth or otherwise given all their wealth by knowing rich people. 99% of people who work devastatingly hard end up even poorer, me and many of my family members have chronic mental and/or physical conditions as a result of working too hard, and now we're still piss fucking poor as well as in pain and traumatised.
: I understand you're struggling, but you could always [anecdote that is a lie][anecdote that is a lie]
May also have had a scholarship unattainable for most in case someone gets out a calculator to check my bullshit anecdote
Not only does he have a useless degree, hes also bad at it because he didnt spend enough time studying it (bcos work el oh el) and made zero connections!! Worth it! Look at that slave ethic
My parents actually had a college fund for me that was enough that I only had to work summers, like in the boomer myths of old, though this was over a decade ago. That said I went to a pretty cheap local college.
my parents insisted I take loans and focus on school. I ended up working on campus for professors later in college but that was functionally part of my education. was immiserated for a long while after graduating until a good chunk got forgiven when my mom became completely disabled (they were technically in her name). not sure this is a smart path to go down - I really lucked out. loan payments on 100k+ was more than my rent because they were using my mom's income to calculate the payments.
If you don’t want to be in student debt maybe you should consider working 30 hours a day. Dumb kids.
Oh, and fuck you if you have a learning disability and can't do both school and work. Guess it's poverty for you, buddy.
Yeah I was gonna say it's ableist af. Got ADHD and really struggle to keep up with and coordinate all those things? Dyslexia, so you need at least twice the amount of time to do the reading and writing? Autism, so the college environment is often overstimulating and lacking in accommodations? Well I guess the plan is for those people to go fuck themselves, but at least be honest that that is the plan.
Yeah have OCD and I can't work more than 10 hours a week on top of studies. I tried and I had a massive meltdown. I ended up having to take out loans because not doing so wasn't an option for me.
I felt a deep crawling sense of dread when "multitasking" became a faddish buzzword in the 90s and everyone was expected to do multiple things (poorly, as it turns out).
As someone with Autism, university life fucked me up badly. Trust me when I say you do not want to experience an autistic burnout.
I was someone who was consistently at the top of their class in High school and College, even reaching the top 1% in my country's grades for a subject related to my special interest.
But with Uni... I could write a novel describing everything that went wrong. I was essentially forced to drop out by the third semester, and it cost me a fuckton in student loan debts with nothing to show for it.
I paid off my loans working three shitty part time jobs and it didn’t make me mad at the thought of loan forgiveness it just made me hate capitalism.
Why should I want anyone else to have their time and energy sapped away pointlessly???
