I don't think the Libs have a plan. Do we have a plan?
I mean I think 2000 is a perfect example of libs rolling over because of a judicial coup. Not saying things haven't changed since then but it I think it shows that above all else libs with power (party leaders/officials, wealthy donors) respect the sanctity of their institutions. Now I do think a significant base of dem voters would be really pissed off but without any way to organize that anger how much does that really matter?
With how much fog there is around elections, "concerns" surrounding mail-in voting they've been stoking the embers on for years, electronic voting with no paper trail, straight up stealing of ballots, etc, that we know is going on, there's so much bs we don't know about that I can't see a scenario in which Biden clearly won as you say. Exit polls will be branded fake news, results as fraudulent. We won't even know if it's true, really.
I think for me it comes down to what will democrats do about it? They sure as hell aren't going to mobilize their base into mass action. Are they going to contest the legitimacy of the supreme court? I think they want to avoid that at all costs because it threatens the wider American political project and potentially their class hegemony. I mean just look how they did absolutely nothing for the confirmation this week. So how do they negotiate their need to support the legitimacy of political institutions with a desire to defeat Trump?
Personally I think it's unlikely to come to that point. I don't think Republicans who actually matter see Trump as the person to push things to the limit for. At a certain level I think they'll accept that a Biden admin will be more than tolerable on a material level. But hey we'll find out in a week.
Wut? The whole thing was about how he stole the election. They called Gore the winner on all major news networks and then switched once Fox News changed and liberals cried about the election being stolen for months and then didn’t do shit about it. Once bush became president they gave him more power than they’ve ever given to the executive branch.
2000 was totally different, Al Gore and Bush ran identical campaigns, like seriously go watch their ads, they are almost identical. Politics wasn't nearly as polarized, social media definitely makes things far more polarized. Back then the mainstream media could exist in a way that calmed down the country about all of it, now people create all their own media and would go absolutely insane.
Also Bush didn't run as a foreign policy hawk, he actually accused Clinton of being too interventionist. Bush was running as a domestic moderate Republican, supported capital gains tax cuts and oil/gas, but he was also more supportive of social programs than we see with the Republicans today (Medicare part D, education reform, EITC, ect).
Liberals were upset, but like actual liberals and progressives were a much more fringe part of American society than they are today. Keith Overman was viewed by the American public and elite the same way the same group views Tucker Carlson.
Keith was covering baseball for Fox at the time. Gore was not thought to be close to Bush ideologically. This is all weird revisionism.
i think they'd be absolutely livid, the same way cows hate being confined to slaughter pens before they get their throats slit.
I'm doing the lib plan which is try and leave the country in order to eventually bring my family with me. A second judicial coup in 20 years means there's little left within the country to fight for, even if the left gains power it will just be shut down by the courts. There's a certain point where you just need to look after your own safety and it's just not worth the constant worry about rising fascism.
Trump winning normally would be far less damaging than this though, I see no pressing need to leave the country if there's a legitimate Trump win as it would just be the same as it is right now.
Watch out for this guy though lol. This clip always blows me away, it is like some legit anime forest spirit
Pretty sure the libs will do the same thing they did when it happened in 2000
The plan should be general strike or something, but because the Dems already won by preventing Bernie from getting the nomination they don't actually care who wins between Trump or Biden that much. Sure they would prefer Biden, but at the end of the day the main goal has already been achieved. That's why the democratic party isn't planning any huge resistance even though Trump stealing the election is a very likely scenario. Remember the Dems are basically controlled opposition designed to be the graveyard for social movements and change, and to absorb anger at the current state of affairs.
What percentage of US-Americans know what a general strike even is?
Libs will tell us to vote harder and blame us for his victory. They are power hungry sickos at heart and will sell us out if it means they can have a smidgen of power.
Biden will send a sternly worded letter to Trump telling him that this is not what America is about, the letter dominates the news cycle for a full day. Then nothing happens.
Game One: Ambiguous. The first game investigated a scenario in which the outcome of the election remained unclear from election night and throughout gameplay. The results from three states are in contention and ballots are destroyed in one of the states, making it unclear who should have won that state. Neither campaign is willing to concede.
Game Two: Clear Biden Victory. Biden wins both the Electoral College and the popular vote. Trump alleges fraud and takes steps to benefit himself and his family but ultimately hands the White House over to Biden.
Game Three: Clear Trump Win. The third scenario started with an Electoral College victory for President Trump (286 to 252), but a popular vote win (52% to 47%) for former Vice President Biden. In this scenario Biden refused to concede, convinced the Democratic governors of two states that Trump won to send separate slates of electors to the Electoral College, encouraged three states to threaten secession and convinced the House of Representatives to refuse to certify the election and declare Biden the victor.
Game Four: Narrow Biden Win. The final scenario explored a narrow Biden win where he leads with less than 1% of the popular vote and has a slim lead at 278 electoral votes. The Trump campaign sows chaos but Senate Republicans and the Joint Chiefs of Staff eventually signal that they accept Biden's win. Trump refuses to leave and is removed by the Secret Service.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transition_Integrity_Project
lol
This is the most unrealistic shit ever, thanks for sharing :agony:
Nancy Pelosi (or whoever is the speaker on Jan 20th) should 100% pull a Juan Guido (like this is to the letter exactly what he did since he was their speaker of the house) and get a ton of world to recognize her as president. Curious who the military would follow if they just say the courts had no authority.
