Exhibit A of why you set up a dictatorship of the proletariat

The only thing reactionaries (of which the military is a haven) respect is power

Chop off the head of the military by either imprisonment or straight up firing squad for shit like this

Run through the officer core replacing officers with dubious loyalty and promoting those that are dedicated to the Bolivian people. Subject the others to re-education

Create a counter revolutionary squad like the Cheka/Nkvd and have them dragging officers out of their houses at 3am to put the fear of God through the military and those that may be tempted to start organising a coup d'etat

In reality, however, the state is nothing but a machine for the oppression of one class by another, and indeed in the democratic republic no less than in the monarchy; and at best an evil inherited by the proletariat after its victorious struggle for class supremacy, whose worst sides the proletariat, just like the Commune, cannot avoid having to lop off at the earliest possible moment, until such time as a new generation, reared in new and free social conditions, will be able to throw the entire lumber of the state on the scrap-heap.

Of late, the Social-Democratic philistine has once more been filled with wholesome terror at the words: Dictatorship of the Proletariat. Well and good, gentlemen, do you want to know what this dictatorship looks like? Look at the Paris Commune. That was the Dictatorship of the Proletariat.

Engels, Civil War In France

The people’s state has been flung in our teeth ad nauseam by the anarchists, although Marx’s anti-Proudhon piece and after it the Communist Manifesto declare outright that, with the introduction of the socialist order of society, the state will dissolve of itself and disappear. Now, since the state is merely a transitional institution of which use is made in the struggle, in the revolution, to keep down one’s enemies by force, it is utter nonsense to speak of a free people’s state; so long as the proletariat still makes use of the state, it makes use of it, not for the purpose of freedom, but of keeping down its enemies and, as soon as there can be any question of freedom, the state as such ceases to exist.

Engels to August Bebel In Zwickau, London, March 18-28, 1875;

Nevertheless, the different states of the different civilized countries, in spite or their motley diversity of form, all have this in common: that they are based on modern bourgeois society, only one more or less capitalistically developed. They have, therefore, also certain essential characteristics in common. In this sense, it is possible to speak of the "present-day state" in contrast with the future, in which its present root, bourgeois society, will have died off.

The question then arises: What transformation will the state undergo in communist society? In other words, what social functions will remain in existence there that are analogous to present state functions? This question can only be answered scientifically, and one does not get a flea-hop nearer to the problem by a thousand-fold combination of the word 'people' with the word 'state'.

Between capitalist and communist society there lies the period of the revolutionary transformation of the one into the other. Corresponding to this is also a political transition period in which the state can be nothing but the revolutionary dictatorship of the proletariat.

Marx, Critique of the Gotha Programme

Let us take another example — the railway. Here too the co-operation of an infinite number of individuals is absolutely necessary, and this co-operation must be practised during precisely fixed hours so that no accidents may happen. Here, too, the first condition of the job is a dominant will that settles all subordinate questions, whether this will is represented by a single delegate or a committee charged with the execution of the resolutions of the majority of persona interested. In either case there is a very pronounced authority. Moreover, what would happen to the first train dispatched if the authority of the railway employees over the Hon. passengers were abolished?

But the necessity of authority, and of imperious authority at that, will nowhere be found more evident than on board a ship on the high seas. There, in time of danger, the lives of all depend on the instantaneous and absolute obedience of all to the will of one.

When I submitted arguments like these to the most rabid anti-authoritarians, the only answer they were able to give me was the following: Yes, that's true, but there it is not the case of authority which we confer on our delegates, but of a commission entrusted! These gentlemen think that when they have changed the names of things they have changed the things themselves. This is how these profound thinkers mock at the whole world.

We have thus seen that, on the one hand, a certain authority, no matter how delegated, and, on the other hand, a certain subordination, are things which, independently of all social organisation, are imposed upon us together with the material conditions under which we produce and make products circulate.

We have seen, besides, that the material conditions of production and circulation inevitably develop with large-scale industry and large-scale agriculture, and increasingly tend to enlarge the scope of this authority. Hence it is absurd to speak of the principle of authority as being absolutely evil, and of the principle of autonomy as being absolutely good. Authority and autonomy are relative things whose spheres vary with the various phases of the development of society. If the autonomists confined themselves to saying that the social organisation of the future would restrict authority solely to the limits within which the conditions of production render it inevitable, we could understand each other; but they are blind to all facts that make the thing necessary and they passionately fight the world.

Why do the anti-authoritarians not confine themselves to crying out against political authority, the state? All Socialists are agreed that the political state, and with it political authority, will disappear as a result of the coming social revolution, that is, that public functions will lose their political character and will be transformed into the simple administrative functions of watching over the true interests of society. But the anti-authoritarians demand that the political state be abolished at one stroke, even before the social conditions that gave birth to it have been destroyed. They demand that the first act of the social revolution shall be the abolition of authority. Have these gentlemen ever seen a revolution? A revolution is certainly the most authoritarian thing there is; it is the act whereby one part of the population imposes its will upon the other part by means of rifles, bayonets and cannon — authoritarian means, if such there be at all; and if the victorious party does not want to have fought in vain, it must maintain this rule by means of the terror which its arms inspire in the reactionists. Would the Paris Commune have lasted a single day if it had not made use of this authority of the armed people against the bourgeois? Should we not, on the contrary, reproach it for not having used it freely enough?

Therefore, either one of two things: either the anti-authoritarians don't know what they're talking about, in which case they are creating nothing but confusion; or they do know, and in that case they are betraying the movement of the proletariat. In either case they serve the reaction.

Engels, On Authority

There is no trace of utopianism in Marx, in the sense that he made up or invented a “new” society. No, he studied the birth of the new society out of the old, and the forms of transition from the latter to the former, as a mass proletarian movement and tried to draw practical lessons from it. He “Learned” from the Commune, just as all the great revolutionary thinkers learned unhesitatingly from the experience of great movements of the oppressed classes, and never addressed them with pedantic “homilies” (such as Plekhanov's: "They should not have taken up arms" or Tsereteli's: "A class must limit itself").

Abolishing the bureaucracy at once, everywhere and completely, is out of the question. It is a utopia. But to smash the old bureaucratic machine at once and to begin immediately to construct a new one that will make possible the gradual abolition of all bureaucracy--this is not a utopia, it is the experience of the Commune, the direct and immediate task of the revolutionary proletariat.

Capitalism simplifies the functions of “state” administration; it makes it possible to cast “bossing” aside and to confine the whole matter to the organization of the proletarians (as the ruling class), which will hire "workers, foremen and accountants" in the name of the whole of society.

We are not utopians, we do not “dream” of dispensing at once with all administration, with all subordination. These anarchist dreams, based upon incomprehension of the tasks of the proletarian dictatorship, are totally alien to Marxism, and, as a matter of fact, serve only to postpone the socialist revolution until people are different. No, we want the socialist revolution with people as they are now, with people who cannot dispense with subordination, control, and "foremen and accountants".

Lenin, State And Revolution

We have known for over a century now that any relaxation of the Dictatorship of the Proletariat furnishes our red flag with more blood of our martyrs

  • Deadend [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    How dare you make me read theory but using the lens of a present day scenario.

    I wish I had more than a couple teachers do this. I’d have become a bigger commie sooner.

  • MasterCombine [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    The new administration should show their “respect” by gifting this man a first-class ticket to the wall.

  • GVAGUY3 [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    This is what terrifies me. If MAS isn't armed, they need to be armed.

  • the_river_cass [she/her]
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    4 years ago

    someone made a fairly decent case to me last week that this kind of action is actually the US's goal in Bolivia and that it would probably lead to the balkanization of the country, so they'll have to take more careful action than simply purging the coup leaders/the military. not to mention that in order to do this, they need to be swept in by military power and they don't currently have that (they probably will after a second coup attempt, if any such thing materializes). does anyone know more about this subject? I only have a passing familiarity with the Bolivian political context.

    • Young_Lando [none/use name]
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      4 years ago

      Just arm the indigenous as soon as possible. Guns make any prospect of a split extremely painful and costly for anyone trying it.

    • Lil_Revolitionary [she/her,they/them]
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      4 years ago

      Yeah, "purging the military" is something that needs to be done, but the military probably wont appreciate being purged, you need a lot of power to do it

      • GVAGUY3 [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        It depends how loyal the rank and file are to their officers.

      • AbolishAmerikkka [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Yeah I mean Evo isn’t even back in the country yet.

        I think you have to pretend to “respect the military” and make the right wing feel included and not persecuted so that they calm down until the chain of command is firmly felt to be headed by MAS, then you slowly start purging the right wing fucks like Mr “respect the military” and you put the coup plotters behind bars (if they haven’t fled to miami first).

        It seems like maybe you gotta go slow. They JUST won the election.

        (Alternatively, you may not want the right wing to be able to re-organize to try another coup and therefore want to put them on trial as quickly as possible. But that is riskier. I would say try and have a few spies on their side who can let you know if their is another coup being organized while you go slow and let the right wing calm down and you can secure power for MAS to take on the right wing safely).

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    4 years ago

    Or...hear me out.. give weapons, bombs, armored vehicles etc to EVERY working class member in the country, effectively removing the monopoly of power that the military has. Imagine if this was done before the coup, the coup itself would have never happened, as it was orchestrated by the military...who were able to do it because they had the monopoly of power. If this is done, the revolution is safely protected without the need for secret police fuckery that FURTHER increases the monopoly of power with the state.

    • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      give weapons, bombs, armored vehicles etc to EVERY working class member in the country,

      The problem with this in practice is the complexity of modern weapons. In Marx's time most members of the working class could be taught to maintain a rifle or even a cannon with a few hours or days of instruction. There was nothing really akin to an armored vehicle or a warplane that took complex dedicated weapons to counter.

      Nowadays, a modern armored vehicle (or Marx forbid, a helicopter or warplane) takes weeks, if not month or years to learn to operate proficiently. Not only that, but maintance requires parts, technology, and support facilities that are out of the question for any sort of decentralized worker's militia.

      I'm not just being a pedantic rivet counter here. The real life implications of this is that a socialist militia will, by necessity, look more like the Iranian IRGC than anything else - a parallel military, loyal to the Party, which can act independently or even against the military if necessary.

      • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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        4 years ago

        In Marx’s time most members of the working class could be taught to maintain a rifle or even a cannon with a few hours or days of instruction.

        To add to this point, there's a difference between knowing the basics of using a gun and being able to effectively use one. Increased professionalisation of state security forces had widened the gap between the competency of your average soldier or cop and the competency of someone who just learned how to use a gun.

      • AlexandairBabeuf [they/them]
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        4 years ago

        the ground belongs to guerillas. an "army" really just needs to be a buncha guys who can manage a modern anti-air, anti-missile defense.

        • Awoo [she/her]
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          The ground doesn't belong to guerillas though. The mountains and forests belong to guerillas, the ground belongs to tanks and always will do. If you can't oppose tanks then you can't oppose the military anywhere except where those tanks can't operate well.

    • Alaskaball [comrade/them]M
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      4 years ago

      The sheer amount of training needed to not just effectively and efficiently train individuals on how to utilize military equipment, but to also organize and coordinate them on a tactical to strategic level, then to also coordinate the logistics to maintain that is all way too staggering to just say "give everyone a t-34, and things will sort themselves off."

  • chris [he/him]
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    I like how some of the quotes are ones that Lenin used in State and Revolution, read the book people.