I am trad, but I bob my hair once a year in the spring and let it grow out for the rest of the year. It's usually back to my shoulders before I get it cut again. I used to do hair donation and I would get hair dressers who were uncomfortable giving me a short cut all the time. Now if I get one who's uncomfortable I tell the to give me the scissors and I cut my ponytail off myself in front of them. After I do that they know I mean business and get down to giving me the cut I want.