• Zuzak [fae/faer, she/her]
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    How dare she, why isn't she out on the campaign trail shouting "Death to Israel" :angery: :angery: :angery:

    • T_Doug [he/him]
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      Is it really so much to ask that she listen to the "lived experiences" of her fellow squad members: Rashida Tlaib, and Ilham Omar, rather than deferring to the liberal wing of AIPAC, and throwing them under the bus?

      There's a reason why conservative Zionists defend AOC.

      https://www.jta.org/2019/03/14/opinion/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-isnt-ilhan-omar-or-rashida-talib-especially-on-israel-and-anti-semitism

      • Woly [any]
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        None of the people you named would ever suggest that Israel shouldn't exist.

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          She has implied that Omar was casuing pain and being antisemetic by suggesting in a tweet that AIPAC money influences Congressional representatives.

          Also unlike AOC Rashida Tlaib knows that the phrase "Israel has a right to exist" by itself is a euphemism for right to occupy/destroy Palestine, which is why when Tlaib was asked if she believes Israel has a right to exist said:

          “Of course... but just like Palestinians have a right to exist, Palestinians also have a right to human rights. We can’t say one or the other. We have to say it in the same breath or we’re not going to actually have a peaceful resolution.”

          AOC should be capable of saying that at least

          What the people who say "Israel has a right to exist" mean by a Two State solution is this

          • Woly [any]
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            What the people who say “Israel has a right to exist” mean by a Two State solution is this

            That's an obviously exaggerated interpretation of her opinion. But I thought that you made a good point overall, so I went and looked up the video. After the line that the tweet quoted, she goes on to stand by a tweet she made calling the killing of Palestinians by Israeli soldiers a massacre, stating that it would be no different if 60 civilians were killed in her district. Then the interviewer, who is an asshole, asks her what she meant by the phrase "the occupation of Palestine" and she specifically refers to the building of settlements and the humanitarian crisis.

            I'll grant you, she doesn't come across as forceful or as certain of her position as Tlaib and she even hedges her bets by saying that she 'doesn't know enough about the situation', but this interview was in 2018, only weeks after she had been elected. It's a cherry-picked line, and it definitely doesn't reflect the views that the people in this thread are saying it does.

    • Darkmatter2k [none/use name]
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      Nice straw-man.

      Arguing for a two state solution, that is politically impossible at this point is the same as arguing for the status quo, which is the continued genocide of Palestinians, and as a self proclaimed progressive she should know better.

      It's embarrassing how the left will ignore or excuse progressives arguing for continued war and imperialism.

      • Zuzak [fae/faer, she/her]
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        Yeah, just like I said, she should be calling for the abolition of Israel which is just so much less "politically impossible" in US politics. Mhm.