Yeah, what the fuck?
Edit: I went to a socially distanced goodbye party for my friend and came back to a bunch of deleted comments
Whether Trump wins or loses there is going to be a lot of right wing violence after the election
Don't do our boy Bin Laden dirty like this. The base has nothing to do with Islamic State. IS is (heh) mainly a Taliban splinter group and Al Quaeda has always been hostile to both IS and the Taliban.
Agreed. If Biden wins, I pray that if / when a right wing terror attack happens, normal liberals at least see that Biden isn't enough. I'm not counting on liberals in charge.
Some won't but some will. A lot of you seem to forget how many of us were liberals at one point in time.
This is way more likely. Look at France right now, liberals are just fucking itching for a reason to drop woke pretenses
(((MUSLIM & GYPSY))) problems*. Very scared for these 3 groups’ future in Europe 😬
Won't happen. Biden will make a big speech blaming it on guns or mentally ill people or something else like that, then libs will start screaming gun control.
Yeah, when the Parkland shooting happened, they didn't want to talk about how the shooter was radicalized by the far right and was acting on the basis of violent white supremacist rhetoric.
Oh no, they called him mentally ill and wanted to criminalize people with mental health concerns. That whole shit show should've told everyone that liberals absolutely are never going to confront white supremacy.
I still stick by my take of any large scale right wing violence mercilessly having the hammer dropped on it. Not because the U.S. military or F.B.I. disagrees with the position of right wing violence, but because any terrorism disrupts the flow of capital into the hands of Jeff Bezos and his ilk. Even this little example: right wing lunatics on road mean packages are delivered at slower speed. If it escalates they'll get the Lavoy Finicum treatment.
100% disagree.
The FBI waged a war against right wing militias back in the 90s and they lost that war when Timothy McVeigh made his move. Ever since then, the FBI has treated those groups with the gloves on and been extremely cautious with them. Look into the Bundy ranch dispute and how that was handled a few years ago.
Most of these militia groups are in small towns out in the rural country and far away from the big cities, as it is seen as a problem for the people living there, opposed to the majority. America already treats it's de-industrialized small towns and rural areas like they don't exist anymore and just ignores them.
Eh. Waco could be considered confrontation with a right wing group. That didn't end well for them. The Malheur rebellion ended up caving and retreating. They seemed to have shot Finicum pretty much for no reason. The Michigan governor plot group did glow and was like 1/4 FBI agent but they were all arrested. I am gonna pause here though because one reply is as deep as I am going in a bizarre argument in defense? of the U.S. military or FBI lol
Waco could be considered confrontation with a right wing group. That didn’t end well for them.
Nor did it end well for the FBI or ATF who handled that so poorly from the beginning and resulted in all those deaths. McVeigh's bombing was a direct retaliation to how the Waco incident was handled.
A few years ago I'd say you're right but we have seen some drastic changes lately.
The Trump movement is at it's core a conflict between two factions of Capital. Chud capital is usually from extractive and heavy industry allied with small capital. The Jeff Bezos faction, which is mainly finance, tech and service industry capital is typically represented by democrats and "moderate" republicans. The FBI, ATF and some other federal law enforcement agencies are generally behind the liberal cosmopolitan bourgeoisie while local cops and other feds like DHS goons back the provincial/national bourgeoisie. If local pigs think the chud terrorists are attacking their enemies (anti-cop activists) they will protect them, even if the FBI is sent to investigate.
The real reason chuds are feeling as bold as they are now is because while they might not understand the class analysis of it, they intuitively know that Jeff Bezos can't have the goons stop them, because there are enough government employees with guns that are loyal to the "good" elites.
This division isn't a new thing btw, basically the same division was present in Weimar Germany, and the Nazis called it "productive capital" and "unproductive capital".
The real reason chuds are feeling as bold as they are now is because while they might not understand the class analysis of it, they intuitively know that Jeff Bezos can’t have the goons stop them, because there are enough government employees with guns that are loyal to the “good” elites.
There are tech billionaires that are donating to these far right groups. Many of them are connected to Peter Thiel.
We haven't seen the worst of what is yet to come. We are still a few years away from them being a serious problem, but we're on track to getting there.
This is true, I'd say tech is the least monolithic of these industries, especially those that specialize in surveillance like Thiel. I just wanted to point out that seeing the Bourgeoisie and state security forces as being totally aligned is a simplistic view. It used to be the case for sure, but the contradictions of capitalism have taken a crowbar to the cracks in bourgeois class solidarity and busted them wide open.
I agree that it's going to take a while for it to get really bad, but when it does I expect a civil war. It's not going to bring about the revolution and we aren't going to be main players in it.
You and I are on the exact same page here. That's precisely my entire fear and why I think we will indeed have a civil war in the future.
I live in the rural country and have been face to face with these militia types. They absolutely are not a joke or LARP'ers like people say online and think. Many of them have firearms training and are ex-military, and they are armed to the teeth.
People claiming they're a bunch of dumbass larpers are coping hard. A lot of them are but I guarantee there are more of them that are dead serious than there are of us, and they are much better prepared. They even have the geographic advantage of being rural. They could surround the city and starve it out if they wanted.
With that said, they can't really rise up completely without opposition from some state forces, and I think that's where the civil war will start. Cops and militias fighting feds and NG troops would be fucking wild. It sounds ridiculous now but it could happen. Shit like that happened when the USSR was collapsing.
Hmmmmm. Maybe you just changed my position with that reply. I need a gun in the house. The chud capital/tech bro capital argument and their respective law enforcement alignments.
Yeah I mean, it's a classic contradiction of Capitalism. The last time bourgeois interests diverged this much in the US was in the 1860s and you know how that played out. I might make a post speculating what a new civil war could look like.
I made the post its long but not long enough. It wouldnt let me type any more lol https://hexbear.net/post/45319
You should post it. I’m really curious to hear about people’s thoughts on this.
I will, I don't want to type it on my phone so I will do it when I can use my laptop
You should post it. I’m really curious to hear about people’s thoughts on this.
haven't listened to it all but this might be what you're looking for
Honestly handguns are often more dangerous to their owners than any real threat, if you really want something just to have in case of civil war though, I'd say an SKS hits all the sweet spots.
I'm not looking forward to the violence directed at our comrades, but a small part of me is darkly glad that now the hooting chuds have decided to fuck around en masse, and will be finding out in greater numbers. I'm sure they think it'll be over by Christmas.
We have a tendency to overestimate them and they have a tendency to underestimate us but they still have an extreme advantage. There are way more of them, they're way better armed, have money and law enforcement is on their side
You're right, of course: brains before bravado. We must always critically examine every course of action as objectively as possible, and never put ourselves or others at unnecessary risk. Our history has made us cautious and good at sniffing out traps. On the other hand, they've spent years sending each other the same three "triggered" memes and Ben Garrison cartoons. They've almost never had to worry about opsec, because they have the backing of the state. They 100% see themselves as the robust Spartans who will effortlessly carve through waves of faceless lanky antifas once the nu metal starts up. Their history has made them arrogant and sloppy.
I just...god, I wish I had a facecam for the moment they realize that what they thought was gonna be live action paintball with lib targets is actually Vietnam 2
They have many weaknesses and their delusions of grandeur and complete ignorance of opsec are big ones. I honestly wish we were organized enough to do our own infiltration and subversion campaigns. I know a handful of comrades have done this and many have done it online but it would be sick if we had coordinated and organized operations. It's so fucking easy to turn chuds against each other, especially the more extreme white supremacists. Plus just having the Intel of where they are at all times could be invaluable.
No offense but I think you're dreaming. The people you're talking about aren't solely the dumb chuds on facebook, a lot of them are literally police. They walk around and encourage, and do, kill people all the time. If they decide to suddenly start hunting leftists and offing them, a lot of leftists are going to get offed.
Didn't say leftists weren't gonna get offed, I said it's not gonna be what they think it's gonna be
Pigs have the right to find you after the fact and either execute you on the spot or drag you away to prison. They actually are pretty good at that. We shouldn't cower but we shouldn't underestimate the threat either.
Right? Genuinely don't get what the chuds are so mad about, how do they not get that they won?
How many of those people have had their material conditions actually worsen, though? Most of those people look like they have clean, new, lifted trucks. They just look like disillusioned suburbanites who think Biden and BLM are coming to steal their lawn.
The real wages for an average American has not risen for 40 years and has, in fact, declined.
These aren't average Americans. They're petite bourgeoisie to bourgeoisie suburbanites who have become richer in the past 40 years.
Nothing you said is false, but you're classifying these people as working class and they're largely not. Their material interests seem fine to them, and they are losing it because they feel under attack from "Communist Democrats" who are going to come steal all their "hArD eArNeD mOnEy" in my opinion.
The working class people you describe, by and large, aren't Trump supporters.
They're in massive debt and they're terrified that the tire store franchise they own will go under, and then they'll have to get regular jobs, and they've seen how those people are treated because they've been the ones doing it.
These people aren't mad at democrats for reasons related to economic policy, they're just this angry about culture war stuff, and they're definitely losing at that.
I definitely think that upper middle class Suburb Tyrants are scared the minimum wage might be raised, or maybe their taxes via a government program. But the majority of the rage is definitely culture war stuff
He's a crazy socialist folks!!!
They seriously make him sound so fucking cool. If fox news was the only news source I'd be stoked to vote for Chairman Biden.
If you believe his claim that he wants a $15 minimum wage, that's an improvement
And of course they believe it, because it confirms their existing belief that Trump is defending the country from pedo socialist jewish elites or whatever the fuck
"Stop losing your civil rights, stop losing your civil rights" - said the CottonGuardBoy to the elder black woman as he hauled her in an unmarked van
I went up to stay in a cabin in Trump country recently and I put my white privilege to work by wearing work boots and an old hoodie from a construction company I used to work for. Blended right in, just tried not to talk to anyone incase they figured I was an antifa rioter coming to loot the ponderosa steak house
We shouldn’t have to go undercover in our own fucking country. These chuds need to be dealt with.
Yeah I mean I probably couldve just dressed normally and been fine but I'm paranoid. My car screams "poor urban white guy" and had out of state tags, which I'm sure to more paranoid chuds means libtard at best antifa at worst. Plus I planned on doing solo hikes on trails that are down secluded single-lane gravel roads in the woods so I didn't want to have any reason to be followed lol.
It is fucked up though. I was never a fan of super chud rural areas but I never felt like I was behind enemy lines before. Granted I wasn't always a Communist but chuds weren't always attacking and killing leftists either. It's honestly starting to feel like what it probably felt like going to the rural south during the civil rights movement.
For sure. Plus, it's good practice for if shit gets really really bad. White folks with no tattoos and piercings that can blend in with chuds would be good for intel gathering. Most comrades I know would not go unnoticed lol.
This was in the mountains, I saw a handful of beater sedans but they were all either black folks or very old white folks. The number of 25+ year old trucks far outnumbered the beater cars. Being poor and white in the city taught me to be hyper observant of how I look compared to those in my surroundings so I'm sure I was overthinking it lol.
As long as you don't put on your antifa uniform, chuds will never figure you out. My brother just bought a home from a cop who warned him about a few of his neighbors who supported BLM. My bro, while not a committed commie, is mildly left and has marched with BLM. Fuck, I once complained about my neighbor's lawn crew waking me up early on my day off while getting a haircut and was invited to a chud facebook group before I left the chair. They believe all whites think alike, unless you walk around with locs and bandana over your face.
They have to have planned this, surely? Or are there that many chuds just casually driving around with flags on their cars?
There's been a deluge of "Trump convoys" that are interstate parades where they strap on a ton of right wing nonsense onto their pavement princesses and roll down the highway to "trigger the libs". They're just about everywhere, I think, and they are planned. Not WELL planned, but planned
Sounds surreal to me. I guess the carfucker culture in the US would help explain it a little bit.
It was a complete novelty when I first heard about them a few months ago in Portalnd, then I heard about a few in my city.
Caravans apparently have a history in this country which I was not aware of.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greensboro_massacre
As the marchers collected, a caravan of ten cars (and a van) filled with an estimated 40 KKK and American Nazi Party members drove back and forth in front of the housing project. Several marchers beat the cars with picket sticks or threw rocks at them. In response, the KKK and ANP members got out of their cars, took shotguns, rifles and pistols from the trunks, and fired into the crowd of protesters. Some of the latter were armed with handguns, which they fired during the brief conflict.[1] It is not entirely clear who fired the first shot.[1] Witnesses reported that KKK member Mark Sherer fired first, into the air.[10]
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By the late 1970s, most police departments had become familiar with handling demonstrations, especially in cities such as Greensboro where numerous civil rights events had taken place since 1960. CWP march organizers had filed their plans for this march with the police and gained permission to hold it. Police generally covered such formal events in order to prevent outbreaks of violence; few officers were present during this march. A police photographer and a detective followed the Klan and neo-Nazi caravan to the site, but they did not attempt to intervene in events.
Edward Dawson, a Klansman-turned FBI/police informant,[2] was riding in the lead car of the caravan.[11] He had been an FBI informant since 1969 as part of the agency's COINTELPRO program. He was among the founders of the North Carolina Knights of the Ku Klux Klan when the North Carolina chapter of the United Klans of America split.[14] By 1979 he was working as an informant for the Greensboro Police Department. He was given a copy of the march route by the police and informed them of the potential for violence.[9] Because the police were absent, the attackers escaped with relative ease.
Holy shit did that black truck literally push the van out of the way to get behind the bus?
Is there a way to see the deleted comments?
Chapo get raided or were the milquetoast libs going off ?
Is there a way to see the deleted comments?
Chapo get raided or were the milquetoast libs going off ?
the raid from what i understand was spamming pics of muhammed and also something against trans people
In theory you can click on “Modlog” on the right hand sidebar, but it seems like most of these have been mass deleted, which for some reason doesn’t show. I’ve seen an admin say they’re working on fixing that.
