if the dreaded second american civil war does break out, its not going to be socialism v fascism like so many fascists and leftists seem to believe. This conflict, much like the revolutionary war, will be a bourgeois revolution. The only real sides to this fight will be military and some police loyal to biden and small parts of the military and untrained and underequipped Trump militias. This is mostly if biden wins by a large margin, if trump decides to cheat the election, libs will probably end up conceding to him and shurgging their shoulders. any kind of armed socialist movement will do nothing but draw the ire of normal people and intelligence agencies, which is like exactly what you don't want to happen if you want to build a real left wing movement in the united states. idk moral of the story: who the fuck cares, fighting for biden is about the same as voting for him. use whatever crisis that arises to advocate for communism, or you can join the biden militias/national guard if u wanna dome nazis idc
Dying in a civil war for the United States of America
lol
Mercing Nazis is fine and a great activity in seminal console shooter, the 1999 PlayStation classic Medal of Honor.
you know some 17 year old radlib with a piccrew avi who just learned what socialism was last week is gonna steal their dads gun tho
but what about the epic reddit karma they'll get for posting it to /r/va*sh
its literally impossible to murder a fascist.
its called community defense
I did a big write-up yesterday on how the conflict brewing is an intrabourgeois conflict and not one between leftists and fascists, with a material/class analysis to back it up.
I don't think a civil war starts next week, but there will definitely be right wing violence, especially if Trump loses after election day. It is NOT worth it to kill or get killed for Joe fucking Biden. Protect yourself and your family/comrades but do not go out to be adventurist and get people hurt or killed. This isn't the revolution, we won't win, they're is literally zero scenarios where a vague "left" goes out and stops fascism and somehow comes out a victor. The state hates us, including factions aligned with the Democrats, and armed chuds outnumber armed leftists probably 100 to 1 at least.
Stay safe, keep talking about socialism, buy guns and ammo and get in shape. There is a good chance we actually will have a real fight ahead of us but it's not coming next week or even next year.
do not kill in the name of socialism; kill because you are a devoted worshiper of the blood god, and he demands skulls for his throne.
fun fact: the soviets couped a liberal provisional government once too in the face of a liberal vs monarcho-progromist civil war. i doubt we'd be as quick on the toes of the soviets, but if there is a protracted civil war between the fed and various state governments, you can bet socialist organizing will get big very fast.
Self defense is cool and good, but remember your basics especially "be aware of what is behind your targets" don't self defense yourself by spraying bullets in the direction of the nearby orphanage to discourage shitty parades.
whats exciting is a weakening of us imperialism means socialism will spring up all over the globe. we're already seeing it. the communists in the phillippines are strengthening their positions and bolivia is currently resisting a coup successfully
I don't think the decay of the global hegemon would fall under bourgeois revolution. I think it would fall under imperialist decay, or fascist counter-revolution to neoliberal policies.
I don't think we ought to put our lives on the line for the current government, let alone a Joe Biden's administration, but if/when our comrades start dying en mass, a decision will have to be made about fighting back.
What is this meme of intracapitalist conflict I'm seeing pop up. I see absolutely no evidence of this, the capitalists have far more in common and far more solidarity than you can possibly imagine. There will absolutely not be any conflict between the military lol. No amount of LARPing or lone wolf acts of violence is proof of an actual civil war.
Remember, the American Civil War was an existential war between capitalism and fuedalism, there was a material basis to it. What material basis is there here?
US slavery was not feudalism, please update your bloody information. the bourgeoise breaking from feudalism in america in it's own tiny way was the war of independence---but even then, feudalism never meaningfully existed in the US
Exactly. There were major class contradictions between the southern planter aristocracy, slaves, northern industrial capitalists, and western homesteading yeomen farmers, and it all came to a head in the civil war. End result is slaves become sharecroppers or convicts afterwards for a large part, and the great migration afterwards in reaction to such conditions.
@Bread_In_Baltimore wrote one up yesterday
FWIW I agree with you, I think the post I linked mistakes failing industries/verticals/whatever for a split in the bourgeosie, when capital's always vultured the most over-leveraged members of the class during every economic contraction. Those in failing areas that aren't over-leveraged will just move their capital to one that isn't.
I think folks mistake lib capital's cooption of id-pol as meaning they're on the other side of a conflict with the trump/fash crowd, but that couldn't be further from the truth. Scratch a liberal's an axiom for a reason.
Damned optimistic of you to think a civil conflict in the US would be the kind of affair where there's only two sides, or that everyone would have the luxury of choosing to avoid it all. That said, I still tend to think the election won't quite be the spark people expect. My bet is still on a scattered uptick of right wing violence which dies down in under a month.
the majority of americans have two-sided political beliefs, therefore there will be two sides. does it matter if theres actually like different groups like boogs and fash who are trying capitalize on violence? no it won't, because libs will see fash and boogs on trump's side due to the fact that fash and boogs are almost identical to trump supporters from an outside perspective. same thing with leftists and dems, if leftists start doing terror attacks, republicans will just blame it on the dems like they have for the past 4 years and escalate against them due to the fact that they literally see no difference between anarchists, communists, and shitlibs.
Americans only get to have the mentality that everything is a bipolar conflict because most of us are insulated from conflicts at any given time. If things really deteriorate, there'll be more local power plays among more local factions, and people who live around them will need to start navigating that. It might end up being a colder (like cold vs. hot war), bipolar conflict, but I don't think that'll be because people simply think that into existence.
Do you think chuds are riled up enough to fuck with Biden's inauguration?
I mean, there'll be protests, though I don't know if they can even get post-George Floyd numbers out there in DC. Maybe there'll even be some goobers who publicly get caught by the feds with some harebrained assassination plot. But I think the only thing that would have an interesting outcome is if some of the groups tasked with defending the event defect, like cops refusing to maintain the perimeter. No idea what the chances of that are though.
I love the idea of a Biden militia. Recycling a bit I wrote earlier:
Clutching the body of my dead comrade, tears in my eye, when my sadness turns to anger and I stand up, holding my rifle above my head and I turn to my fellow #Resistance fighters and shout, “For Joe Biden! Nothing will fundamentally change!” inspiring a chorus of enthusiastic shouts as we charge forward into a hail of machine gun fire and artillery shells.
Please, Gods of Hellword, engineers running the simulation we call "reality," whatever's out there, please, make this happen. Imagine a fucking tank rolling through your city with "No Malarky" painted on the side, and tell me that's not the funniest possible outcome.
The movement doesn't matter if fascism wins.
I don't really give a shit how you justify it, if it actually came down to a war then you better fight cause otherwise you're liable to end up in a stadium anyway.
lol implying that neoliberalism is anything other than fascism with a rainbow paint job. there's literally no way to justify fighting for DIET Fascism™ vs fascism, when you could literally just work to build local left wing movements
This is the sort of batshit ideology that let the Nazis win.
Neoliberalism is evil, it's not quite as bad as fascism.
there are two holes in front of you. one is 10,000 feet deep and the other is 9,999 feet deep. what you are saying is that we should just jump in the 9,999 ft hole instead of like, oh idk, not jumping into any thousand foot deep holes
The extra foot is the difference between your average shitlib and Kyle Rittenhouse or Timothy McVeigh.
one group will just ensure that you die to systematic violence, the other will call you slurs when they line you up at the wall. both are murders. hope this helps
Those two are little in the greater scheme of things, its a foot of difference between Obama and Trump, and that's an argument not worth having.
Fuck off liberal I ain't voting for Biden and I sure as hell won't join Biden's Army
So don't.
You really think civil war in America would stay as 2 factions divided by political party? At this point?
Of course not. But the two largest factions would be the far right backing Trump and the dems backing Biden. The third parties would all get crushed in a day, maybe less, if we tried to fight. That's not to mention how many anarchists nowadays are openly calling to shoot MLs on sight or round them all up to enable their non-removedy socialism, so we'd be EVEN weaker than we already are thanks to infighting
