Capitalism? What? Fascism has nothing to do with that. Ideas are entirely responsible for fascism. Material conditions? I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Fascism wouldn't have existed if Hitler either died as a baby or hadn't written Mein Kampf.

Oh, and, by the way, WWI could have been averted if that archduke didn't get shot. There is nothing more to the outbreak of WWI.

Sincerely, libs.

  • Lil_Revolitionary [she/her,they/them]
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    4 years ago

    Everyone keeps falling for the Great Man Theory, really pisses me off. Anyway see you later im going back in time and saving Rosa

    • KobaCumTribute [she/her]
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      4 years ago

      Not sure if "if this socialist uprising wasn't brutally crushed by a coalition of succdems and proto-fascists, with its leaders tortured and murdered, then things would have gone better" is really on the same level as "if this literal baby died then fascism wouldn't exist." Disrupting or crushing a real, already extant movement by murdering important people within it has a clear historical effect, while theorizing that if one person just didn't exist that a movement would never form in the first place is more fantastical.

      It's like how the assassination of Fred Hampton had a real, material effect on the BPP, but if he'd never have been born in the first place there'd still have been a BPP, because the material conditions that created it and radicalized him were still there regardless of whether he was or not, but because he was alive and was important his murder had a disastrous impact.

        • KobaCumTribute [she/her]
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          4 years ago

          Honestly yeah, of all the "this one event had really big, horrible, far-reaching consequences"s you could point to in the 20th century, the suppression of the Spartacist revolt in Germany is one of the most pivotal. If it had succeeded the USSR wouldn't have been alone and the civil unrest that France and the UK faced in the following decade would have had more socialist successes behind them, to say nothing of the impact that removing the Nazis from the equation altogether would have had. It wouldn't have been a clean or bloodless timeline by any means, obviously, but it would have been an important difference.

          But my point is just, a real person with real influence and real power dying is very different from if that individual had simply not existed at all, because, well, while anyone could theoretically become that person, once someone is then their death damages the movement they're a part of.

          So tl;dr for any time travelers: don't kill baby hitler, [parody] the headquarters of the NSDAP in the late 1920s instead; break the movement instead of imagining one person could create it from whole cloth. Or better yet give the KPD a fucking gundam or ten in 1918 so this is a moot point, cause if you've got time travel you better at least have some fucking gundams to spare.

          Edit: actually just go find that asshole fish that crawled out of the primordial sea and roast its dumb ass, save us all this trouble from the get go. Great man theory might be bullshit but no one said anything about fish, so I'm blaming that slimy, wannabe-air-breathing motherfucker.

          • VILenin [he/him]
            hexagon
            ·
            4 years ago

            This is great fish theory. The material Conditions behind the move to land would still exist. The only logical solution would be to destroy the planet.

            • KobaCumTribute [she/her]
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              4 years ago

              But that would also negatively impact the marine life. Instead, I propose regular gundam-facilitated patrols along primordial shorelines to find any asshole fish that thinks land might be better, and provide for them a comprehensive education in why that's actually the worst decision possible before returning the newly educated fish to the water.

              • VILenin [he/him]
                hexagon
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                4 years ago

                Aquatic humans evolve, following our timeline but underwater. I know this would happen because nothing good is allowed to happen.

                • KobaCumTribute [she/her]
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                  4 years ago

                  Yeah, they can try to invent fire underwater but all they'll get is some soggy sticks.

                  • VILenin [he/him]
                    hexagon
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                    4 years ago

                    The laws of physics will adapt to accommodate the worst possible scenario

                    • KobaCumTribute [she/her]
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                      4 years ago

                      What if we give dolphinoid Rosa Luxemburg a water gundam to fight the fish korps

                      • VILenin [he/him]
                        hexagon
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                        edit-2
                        4 years ago

                        It turns out that time traveling Bernie has followed you. As you prepare to hand over ownership, you feel the barrel of a gun pressed against the back of your head.

                        "Not today, kid" He says.

                        Fear stricken, you freeze. He takes advantage of this opportunity to shoot dolphinoid Rosa. He ties you to a large pole and forces you to watch as he butchers her and has her for dinner.

                        Afterwards, he laughs maniacally before killing you.

                        He finds asshole fish and drags it onto land.

    • ProfessorAdonisCnut [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      How dare you criticise doctor who, the very show that teaches us the value of Gryffindor/Hufflepuff friendship?

      • GravenImage [none/use name]
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        4 years ago

        forget about those two lame squares, hang out with Lilith she's a queen and she slays https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilith#Alphabet_of_Ben_Sira

        • MarxGuns [comrade/them]
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          4 years ago

          I need a breakdown of her powers and such like you can find for the various super heroes on Wikipedia. Backstory, abilities, rivalries; the wiki page just has long passages from the old books.

    • wasbappin [he/him,they/them]
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      4 years ago

      WW1 was just a holiday dinner bruh moment between incestual royal families that got milliions killed.

    • carlin [he/him,comrade/them]
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      edit-2
      4 years ago

      BBC bad, but they at least manage to wave a hand towards it being because of national tensions in a form factor for 8 year olds Link

  • crispyhexagon [none/use name]
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    4 years ago

    :banana-duck: archduck fulvous ferruginous just wanted to stop for some breadcrumbs at that delicatessen, but garganey pochard didnt want to share his sandwich. so sad. all that bloodshed completely avoidable.

  • ProfessorAdonisCnut [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    WWI of 28 July 1914 - 11 November 1918 was technically completely avoidable

    Frenchies in the trenchies was an inevitability