So was playing Genshin Impact with him yesterday, apparently he's waiting for an update in the story and wanted me to play until then, for the first time. Side note I like the game so far but I sat down in a chair and couldn't get back up so I had to stop playing.
We started talking about the characters available their roles and gameplay value when the subject of women came up. He was using females and I asked him to stop using that word. He asked why I told him it weird and alienating like we were scientists observing animals. He pointed out that we were males so it looked like I wasn't getting through to him so I switched tactics.
I told him incels tend to refer to women as either females or femoids you know really alienating and off putting things. He was like 'oh shit' and stopped using female to describe the characters. He slip once like 30 minutes later but self corrected.
I know it's video games and nothing major but I feel like moments like this are important. Part of his concern was not being seen as an incel but I feel like not using incel language can help expand or at least not diminish empathy for others.
Also additional side note does anyone know the character's ages. I can't find anything or conflicting fan speculation. So far I like Amber and Lisa. Lisa looks like an adult but I have no idea how old Amber is.
I should have known this chain would started but nevertheless I'll upbear each one.
I’ve been doing stuff like this with my 11 year old son. He lives with his mom and sometimes when he comes over, he’ll say stuff like, “Dad I hate SJWs,” or “Feminists ruin everything,” and, “Are there any funny female comedians?” And I know it’s because he watches so much youtube.
The alt-right youtube algorithm is so sneaky. He was over watching Star Wars theory and lore videos one time, and one of the videos that came up was, “How PC culture and feminists ruined Star Wars,” and it was just shit about how making main protagonists women and POC was a move pushed by liberals to erase the importance of strong men protagonists.
I’ve had to do so much reprogramming with him, and try to explain to his 11 year old brain that the stuff he’s seeing on YouTube may seem like it’s coming from an innocent place, but the rhetoric that some youtubers push is really dangerous.
Yeah my nephew is 18 and I kind of feel responible. I introduced him to reddit back before it went to shit and I knew better. Maybe he would have gotten there anyway what with the YouTube pipeline you described but I still have to do something. I been offering up a class based analysis to somethings he complains about. When he complains about feminists I usual tell him what he dislikes is liberal feminism the kind that doesn't factor in more complex things other than girl bosses and men being bad. Or how sjws don't have the power people think they have and are merely a scapegoat for capitalism ruining everything.
other than girl bosses and men being bad
That's a good tactic, I've tried doing the same thing with my kid. I've tried explaining, "Feminism is a good thing that's helped achieved some big victories for women. Better pay, more independence in our male-dominated society, etc. What you're complaining about is a crappy liberal version of feminism that doesn't go beyond 'all men are garbage and we'll get upset at everything.' However, some messages that you'll see as 'SJW snowflake stuff' are actually solid arguments for people who don't have it as easy as most white men. So it's important to hear what they have to say and think about the message they're trying to tell." It's really hard to explain to a child this stuff, and idk how much actually sticks, but I'm trying.
I got two nephews 18 and 13 with the younger one very child like don't know what he has tbh. The first one is concerned with feminists mainly because of the idea that everything is considered sexual assault and that the cops always believe women. You know shit redpillers spout to scare other men about women's rights.
I told him no, survivors of sexual assault are rarely believed because of power and class dynamics. Somewhat related I told him my theory of the so called supernatural serial killers that never get caught. They aren't geniuses but two things happen. First they have connections to people with power best example is Charles Manson who was let go to give the hippy movement a bad name. Second the police aren't there to solve mysteries but to protect the rich.
The few times I would hear about a false accusation going anywhere was when the accuser had ties to the police and uses that power to harass.
The younger one I told rich people are evil because they have more money then they can ever need and still want more while we live pretty broke. At first I wanted to lie to him that we weren't poor but decided to tell him money has no bearing on being a good person.
It sounds like you're doing the right thing. Just keep being a level-headed person your nephews can turn to, and stay consistent with your messaging. Kids are going to mess up and change their beliefs multiple times before their brain stops developing and they settle on a coherent set of values. You're just there to help steer them in the right direction and offer what knowledge you have.
Thanks, I heard a saying once that it's not about teaching them what to think but how to think. I try my best to remember this when talking with them. Their dad walked out on them when they were little and their mom just got out of an abusive relationship so now I'm the only male role model for them. I feel like I failed them by not doing more when they were younger but the guys my sister was with isolated them from us. Now I don't know I'm trying though even if I'm maybe a bit of a fuck up.
I mean Amber is an Outrider Knight, but maybe Monstadt does use child soldiers.
That was what I was thinking I mean it's like anime and no one over 20 exists in anime, or at least it feels like that
wait until stone ocean anime comes out 👀 theres some great lady characters in it
i've brought this up before but araki says he's "beyond the standard definition of genders" ( link )
so he's actually a well done trans character which is pretty great
iunno, i like it as a trans lady. it's casual; no one else actually says anything about it. and he gets a happy ending. definitely better than 95% of the trans characters i've seen in media, not to mention he was written in the early 2000s before half the trans characters in media existed.
I don't think you are wrong but kind of wish you were. I'm having a hard time giving counter examples.
I asked my nephew he looked it up, don't know where because I couldn't find it, he said 20 and I thought cool but now I don't know.
It's like defenses drop when bonding so it's much easier to talk things out with people. The other way is eating their favorite meal with them. Combine them and boom super effective teaching moment.
Had to look this up and it's star trek right? He is coming along well, like the beliefs he has are easy to pick apart since he doesn't hold them to strongly. Also wiki is telling me that the ferengi are antisemitic. Did the ferengi not approve of Israel's treatment of Palestinians or something.
Thanks haven't laughed that hard in a while. Perfect length with no context makes it funnier I think.
Lisa is definitely an adult from the one clip I have seen, trust me I am an expert.
Yeah, he told me if I was worried about age, I know this sounds kind of pathetic worrying about fictional character's ages, that I wouldn't have to worry with Lisa. It's just I like Amber's red hare design and exploding doll.
Do you want to know their ages so you can decide which ones it’s okay to whack off to?
Lol, I'm weird less to do with wacking, like mature thicc women, more for weird thoughts of romance that pop in my head from time to time. Before I bond with a character I kind of want to know more about them. I know it's hella parasocial but it's my gulity pleasure.
Edit ok if I'm being honest yes. I do not want to sexualize anyone underage that's a line I will not cross even fictional. I know it might not be right to wait for the age of consent to go wild but the lowest I would go would be 21 since I'm 28. I get older so will b e who ever am interested in.
Coded that's the word. Maybe I'm over thinking it but when looking it up on reddit, God I hate that site, some nerd said the town was based on Germany and they had a drinking age of 16 but since this is a games that is meant to go around the world they might give her an older age to go along with different ages for alcohol consumption. I know all of this might be pointless with a magical world and all but maybe the developers real world values might seep in their writing.
I know you didn't ask but the main player character is explicitly under the alcohol age in the game and has a part where they have to drink juice when all the adult characters are drinking.
I could somewhat guess that but I guess because I'm assuming the character might be a blank slate, don't know haven't gone through the game, I'm probably not gonna get to attached to them as I will the side characters.
Ngl I like how the braids look like ears. Like they could have just added animal people but instead it looks like the character has some agency and decided they wanted animal ears. Really cute.
There are actually non-human races. Sucrose and Klee both have non-human ears, I think Ganyu (not playable yet) also has horns. Klee's are elfish and Sucrose has animal ears.
I think that the "travelling from a different world" thing will play a part in explaining what the deal is with so many different races/species living in this world. Whether it's the different "human" races, the hilichurls, gods, demi-gods or the abyss order. I'm pretty sure many different races have been hurled through a world portal of some sort like the player and have all then been forced to just make a go of it in this world.
Yeah my nephew was telling me that one lady that killed my sibling or something in the intro was form another game. He doesn't want to spoil it for me. I never would have guessed a game like this would have this much of a story I thought it would just be anime breath it the wild which I haven't really paid attention to the story and just been parrying everything and smacking things with branches.
Lmao ok but I think the game is clearly ignoring that in favour of actual physically lived years of life.
We broke, what I don't like about the ps4 vs the ps3 is that a subscription is required to go online for most games. This is an exemption besides we didn't spend any money on it and don't plan to.
Nah I'm not making fun of you or your conditions, just throwing a self aware rag on anime, as someone who watches too much of it.
It's cool no worries. I recently got back to watching anime to with my nephew. We binged watch JoJo part 5 and rezero on vrv. Glad the election is over because we kept getting the same TJ Cox ad over and over. Apparently he doesn't play his taxes and is funneling money to his socialist friends, like damn I could use some of that. Not to mention all the propaganda for prop 22 I think the gig workers.
Without spoiling it what's it about? My nephew wants to watch sheild hero but feels that anime feels really incel like. Is this good?
Golden Kamuy, Haikyuu, and mob psycho. I'll check these out with him. After getting caught up with rezero he recommended shield hero but I acted really disinterested so he dropped it and we watched a bit of the reincarnated slime. I was afraid of possible imperialist themes with iseaki but was pleased with rezero and slime. One has a world and culture already going on and the other feels like a videogame.
Golden Kamuy is good but not suitable for children. It has a lot of completely unhinged characters including one that wears other people's skin.
Do recommend it though, it's good.
Older nephew is 18 but probably will have my younger nephew play Minecraft in my room if we watch it.
I used to get him to watch contrapoints but didn't stick. Most breadtube is too long or requires a somewhat above average vocabulary to understand. More success just bonding with him.
I've been playing a lot of Genshin Impact too. The big update is in less than a week!
When it comes to the character's ages I assume the game stays vague on purpose since age of consent laws vary around the world. Real libertarian hours, I know. I've been trying to figure out Fischl's age myself since she's my main DPS. (One of the best 4 stars in the game, high recommend her.) Her background includes a story about her 14th birthday, when she first "summoned" her raven Oz, so she's at least 14.
After reading their canon background I then try to consider their job and height, although neither of these are guarantees. Now unfortunately for Fischl the first part of her story specifically states that she became an investigator for the Adventurer's Guild at age 14, but that she started as a "rookie investigator", which would imply she currently has at least a year's experience under her belt. I'm not sure whether this confirms that the city of Mondstadt is fine with hiring underage teenagers, or that Fischl's long standing adventurer parents used their clout to get her in early and she's actually working illegally. Her height isn't doing her any favors either, as she's noticeably shorter than Lisa. And if you know her character she basically lives out a fantasy 24/7, so she's not exactly mature. Personally I'd place her at 16, and that's waaaaaaay too young.
I'm glad am not the only one who does this kind of thing, thought for sure I was gone be dragged into a struggle session and get my ass owned with facts and logic for being a weird creepy nerd with too much time.
Lisa looks like an adult but I have no idea how old Amber is.
The tall characters like Lisa and Jean are clearly meant to be adults, while short characters like Klee are clearly meant to be children. The mid-height characters like Amber feel like they're supposed to be coded as teenagers, but personality wise, some of them seem to be coded as adults. Characters like Bennet or Barbara have personalities that are more innocent/child-like, and they come across to me a being in the age range for high schoolers. On the other hand, characters like Amber and Noelle come across (to me at least) as much more mature than a typical high schooler, and both of them have jobs that I'd regard as too difficult/professional for most teenagers (Amber being a knight and Noelle being a hyper-competent maid who's training to be a knight), so I've been assuming they're probably in their early twenties. However, there's also Xingqiu who comes across as being both mature and competent, while still feeling coded as being high school aged.
In terms of in game lore though, some of the info about ages is a bit unclear/contradictory. For example, in Amber's "About Noelle" voice line, there's a discrepancy where the on screen text explicitly says Noelle is younger than Amber, while the actual audio of the voice line has Amber referring to Noelle as her predecessor, implying Noelle is actually the older one. To make it more confusing, in Noelle's "About Amber" voice line, she says she looks up to Amber, which could imply that Noelle is younger than Amber, but the rest of the line is her talking about how kind and accomplished Amber is, meaning she seems to just look up to her in general. Basically this means the game is intentionally or unintentionally unclear on how old its characters are, even relative to one another, so really it's probably just up to your own interpretation as to how old certain characters are.
You know after everything mentioned now I'm gonna just place Amber in her early twenties and be done with it and enjoy the game. Gonna go play now that my nephews are done with online school. I thank you and everyone who contributed in helping me ease my concerns. Need to sink in as many hours as possible tonight.
The more I hear about it the more I think I might need to take breaks watching it and not binge it. I might lookup some of the evil shit the cia has done so I can draw parallels to my nephew during the commericals. Like I know they are monsters but having specific example will really nail it home.
Sorry read Russian and was thinking you were talking about an anime someone was telling about. Got some wires crossed before I realized. Still connecting the game he's invested in with leftists things might do him well.
