My understanding is, right now, it’s going into Beatnik’s name.
He’s going to be using it to set up a worker co-op structure. That’ll involve, at the minimum, paying server costs, but ideally it’ll also be enough to pay wages, advertise Chapo, donate to specific funds, expanding the focus of the co-operative, etc.
So as it stands right now it's just going to one person who's intentions we don't can't really know for sure with no way to verify what it will actually be put to?
I mean, he could have set this whole thing up as a grift to run off with a few hundred dollars, but it’s a pretty long game for not much reward.
It’s a fair bit of work to mod the CTH sub, and to then manage the launch this whole Lemmy project.
It’s not like the grift would last forever, either. We’re what, less than two weeks into the launch and we’re already seeing questions like this from the wider community? No way it’d get more than a grand or so before we saw an internal dev team split.
What we know of Beatnik is that he’s a PM in a tech company. That makes me think that a grand or so isn’t really all that important to him, at least not for the amount of effort it’d take here.
Personally, I’m happy to keep donating. I’ll take my cue from the dev team. If they’re comfortable trusting beatnik to follow through, I am too.
Pretty convinced at this point that this is a wrecker, not "from the wider community." Their first few comments were a lot of random quotes about communism that look like they were to farm enough upvotes to make this post.
not to get all "they targeted gamers!" but it's so lame that the spammers are trying to disrupt us with concern trolling, when pointing out instances of concern trolling in news and social media was a frequent topic of discussion on r/cth, not to mention on the official podcast of the sub, citations needed.
You're concern trolling to try and sow distrust among the community. Your concerns themselves in the original post are valid, but they've been addressed time and time again. If you were a good-faith actor you wouldn't keep pretending the mods are nefariously trying to pocket the librepay money. And don't think I've forgotten about that comment about how mods "astroturf threads."
Yeah pretty much. Again, if the lack of transparency bothers you, I think it's entirely reasonable to hold off on donating. Personally I'm not donating very much, so it's not a big concern for me.
servers cost a couple hundred bucks a month to rent. they're getting a couple hundred bucks a month. I'm comfortable waiting a few weeks for a more detailed plan over virtually no money at all.
Maybe one could have been, I don't know the logistics behind the server, but at the same time I haven't donated for exactly the reason you are articulating. I trust the mods but not enough to donate without some sort of plan or budget. Other people have felt compelled to donate absent a plan and that is their own personal thing to think through.
Well I just don't think it's unreasonable to have to wait for things to settle down to get a full accounting for the money--I know firsthand how challenging a project like this can be.
My understanding is, right now, it’s going into Beatnik’s name.
He’s going to be using it to set up a worker co-op structure. That’ll involve, at the minimum, paying server costs, but ideally it’ll also be enough to pay wages, advertise Chapo, donate to specific funds, expanding the focus of the co-operative, etc.
Tbh, I’ve given away money for worse.
So as it stands right now it's just going to one person who's intentions we don't can't really know for sure with no way to verify what it will actually be put to?
I mean, he could have set this whole thing up as a grift to run off with a few hundred dollars, but it’s a pretty long game for not much reward.
It’s a fair bit of work to mod the CTH sub, and to then manage the launch this whole Lemmy project.
It’s not like the grift would last forever, either. We’re what, less than two weeks into the launch and we’re already seeing questions like this from the wider community? No way it’d get more than a grand or so before we saw an internal dev team split.
What we know of Beatnik is that he’s a PM in a tech company. That makes me think that a grand or so isn’t really all that important to him, at least not for the amount of effort it’d take here.
Personally, I’m happy to keep donating. I’ll take my cue from the dev team. If they’re comfortable trusting beatnik to follow through, I am too.
Pretty convinced at this point that this is a wrecker, not "from the wider community." Their first few comments were a lot of random quotes about communism that look like they were to farm enough upvotes to make this post.
not to get all "they targeted gamers!" but it's so lame that the spammers are trying to disrupt us with concern trolling, when pointing out instances of concern trolling in news and social media was a frequent topic of discussion on r/cth, not to mention on the official podcast of the sub, citations needed.
Ok, Google.... give me a couple of quotes about communism and left unity.
It wasn't random quotes it was combat liberalism. and I was trying to combat liberalism.
You want to combat liberalism? Stop trying to destroy this site.
what the hell am I doing to destroy the site? wtf
You're concern trolling to try and sow distrust among the community. Your concerns themselves in the original post are valid, but they've been addressed time and time again. If you were a good-faith actor you wouldn't keep pretending the mods are nefariously trying to pocket the librepay money. And don't think I've forgotten about that comment about how mods "astroturf threads."
dont astroturf threads I wont bring it up
Yeah pretty much. Again, if the lack of transparency bothers you, I think it's entirely reasonable to hold off on donating. Personally I'm not donating very much, so it's not a big concern for me.
I'm not sure if I like the framing of a lack of transparency as just a personal issue.
The lack of transparency is a transient state not a permanent one. Again if you don't want to donate, you do not have to.
I mean what guarantee is there that it isn't? Couldn't some sort of finacial plan or something have been put forward from the jump?
Not really; it's frankly incredibly impressive that this site is up and running so soon, honestly.
servers cost a couple hundred bucks a month to rent. they're getting a couple hundred bucks a month. I'm comfortable waiting a few weeks for a more detailed plan over virtually no money at all.
Maybe one could have been, I don't know the logistics behind the server, but at the same time I haven't donated for exactly the reason you are articulating. I trust the mods but not enough to donate without some sort of plan or budget. Other people have felt compelled to donate absent a plan and that is their own personal thing to think through.
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That'd also be a personal issue.
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That too.
Well I just don't think it's unreasonable to have to wait for things to settle down to get a full accounting for the money--I know firsthand how challenging a project like this can be.
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what? are you telling me to go somewhere else because I asked for transparency?
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Yes, you aren't really contributing. People have answered your questions and your motives seem to be to sow doubt rather than to be informed.
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