I think it has become more than apparent that our federation with Hexbear has degraded the quality of browsing on this instance. I'm generally for open federation, but the amount of brigading and general toxicity is not conducive to the friendly communications that make Lemmy great.
i understand that our level of activity tends to overwhelm smaller instances, but what others call "brigading" is literally just us clicking on what's on the front page.
I'm honestly tired of seeing the constant Hexbear defederation posts popping up on /all from other instances' meta communities, and now sadly our own.
The features to defederate on a per-user basis are coming: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/2397
For anyone who can't wait, it is honestly easier to sign up on another instance who has already defederated. This is not reddit, you're not penalised or restricted for having a brand new account somewhere. You also don't need to type an essay if there's an application, just prove you're human.
Its ubiquitous for a reason. They have been nothing but trouble since they federated.
I wouldnt even mind defederating them for now and then deleting the blacklist once the instance blocking feature is added.
From that pull request:
"My PR only hides communities from that instance, but not users."
So no, it's not defederation on a per-user basis.
You cut our the part where the commenter equated libertarianism to pedophilia, which as I said, was exemplary of hexbear behavior.
https://hexbear.net/comment/3885422
Here is another where I was called a Nazi despite my left leaning nature. This isnt a political request. Lemmy.ml is quite pleasant.
Hexbear is just behaving in a toxic manner.
https://lemmy.one/comment/2652503
You seem to just ignore that these reasonable and measured statements were a response to harassment, of which Ive gotten plenty from hexbear.
Your Image cuts out the interplay of "you all harass me", proceeded by harassment, and then "this is what Im talking about"
Where's the lie?
You had a bad experience on hexbear because noone wants to discuss your 'libertarian progressive brand of communism', so now your entire instance needs to defederate?
Your image cuts out the interplay of "you all harass me"
that was your first comment on that post, you're jumping the shark
What do you mean by where's the lie? That libertarianism is pedophilia?
Elaborate if I misread
I've yet to meet a self ascribed libertarian that didn't have some weird ideas about the age of consent.
Anyway, you were posting in a hexbear comm, stop trying to make others do the work for you and just chill maybe.
Don't people of a Chomsky-type bent sometimes self-describe as libertarian? It's less common in the US because of how libertarians here are usually right-wingers but the libertarians=pedophiles trope is less common abroad is my understanding. I usually peg them as more anarchist types, which usually are welcome in hexbear.
Not super into this one wanting to defend NATO but I think they have a point about the pedo stuff.
Chomsky palled around with Epstein so that's a very funny example.
I know, I thought about bringing it up but I didn't think it would help make my point. I think the larger point (that self-described libertarians aren't all obsessed with age of consent the way that American ones are) is still valid, but it is very unfortunate that the poster example of what I'm trying to describe had Epstein as an accountant.
Libertarian originally referred to an anarchist-like movement before getting coopted by Rand types
Thank you BTW, but do you not think this level of vitriol from the other user is not justified. I did not say anything remotely worth that immediate harassment.
Thats kind of the point of this post. Hexbear has rightly become maligned because this is how every single conversation goes.
If I, a politically friendly person is met with that much hostility, then how do you expect hexbear to behave across Lemmy as a whole?
I think a pretty strong reaction IS warranted against defense of NATO, personally I think it's a very bad take but I'm trying to stick up for you here. I think it would be better to focus the vitriol against that disagreement than going after your label.
If it's any help I'm not sure how much awareness you have of the recent controversy that's been roiling with the folks at SJW but there have been a lot of people recently defending the specific position you are but also engaging in a pretty hostile way, especially in regards to the use of ableist/transphobic rhetoric that we do not tolerate. Nerves are a bit frayed on Hexbear writ large. I think a lot of Hexbears are reacting to hostility with carpet bombing rather than precision as a result.
Hell, until this weekend I was basically just a lurker, the recent stuff brought me out of the woodwork. I can't tell you what to do, but I think if you give Hexbear some time things will mellow out, things are just tense at the moment. I wouldn't say you should ever expect them to like you being pro-NATO but I think you're likely to get more constructive engagement generally the further out from this weekend we get.
Just my two cents.
Thats what Im taking about. You arent helping your point. And you are now in my community, so if we are in agreement, then you can stop commenting here while we engage in healthy. discourse.
This has nothing do with politics. As your image helpfully shows, Im a libertarian communist. Our ideals are quite close.
But, as I posted, hexbear behavior is unbecoming and unwelcoming. That's why hexbear should be defederated, as that is the culture there most unfortunately.
Libertarians tend to be obsessed with lowering the age of consent lol. You sound confused.
The current strain of libertarianism in the "west" does seem to have an issue at some point when it comes to this topic.
At least with the political compass, libertarianism is simply the southern two quadrants.
Not that it has anything to do with this comment, just wanted to clarify that the notion of "western libertarians" is likely a misunderstanding.
please reconsider deriving your politics from reactionary memes
alternatively: new site tag holy fuck
Its a descriptive tool. As such, its is both as meaningful and arbitrary. As all other made up words and concepts.
I think the important part is that it helped explain my ideology in less words than a drawn out online screed
Your "ideology" doesn't exist. That's why it can only be explained by something as meaningless as the political compass
it's a terrible tool, and it's no wonder you were lumped in with
hebepaedophiles if you think it's a useful metric.It's not though man...
It fundamentally breaks when ideologies which agree on issues are shown as diverging when others don't. If you're really a communist you should understand this as idealist nonsense which can't actually reflect the complexities of political thought. "Libertarian" thought is also that which supports indentured servitude. Do "libertarian socialists" agree with that? No I sure hope not.
This is a fundamental breakdown of that depiction of politics and the fact that you still reference it as a "useful tool" betrays the incoherence of your politics.
Wow... I'm very sorry that you walked in to that one. But that was a bit of a self own there.
You cut our the part where the commenter equated libertarianism to pedophilia, which as I said, was exemplary of hexbear behavior.
Are you a libertarian? What do you think about age of consent laws?
Keep em coming, let it serve as a monument to the 4Chan like behavior of hexbear.
Can you please explain your invention of "democratic" communism before you defed?
I've asked and you've never explained it to me
Literally never seen a post from this instance, or a user until now, bubye
I'm for defederation at least until instance blocking is available. I've already blocked most of their communities from my feed, but comments have been really unpleasant since they federated.
It's not really about the ideology as much as not wanting to have to scroll past endless political bickering. Rage addiction is real and contagious.
I will also place my support for defederation of Hexbear.
Our rule #4 clearly states: (emphasis mine)
No harassment, dogpiling or doxxing of other users.
Every one of you hexbear users AND users of remote instances who are here harrassing and arguing with OP about their views is doing just that. Dogpiling.
In a meta thread that hasn't much place. Instead of trying to discredit the user proposing the defederation; maybe try proving you folks can play by our rules. Yes; Jonah does permit a variety of viewpoints. If you can stay within our ruleset.
as always I leave it up to you to review their behavior(s) @jonah@lemmy.one and decide if defederation is an appropriate action. But the action of the several hexbear users who have replied before this comment have not inspired my faith in them to behave.
Every one of you hexbear users AND users of remote instances who are here harrassing and arguing with OP about their views is doing just that. Dogpiling.
Realistically, how is one of the most active instances supposed to interact with any community without coming across as dogpiling? It can kinda work if you all share similar political viewpoints but when it comes to politics there is literally no way to avoid dogpiling by your definition.
Every fucking thread on the front page is about communism. Don't you guys have anything else to talk about?
Like honestly we have spaces for mental health, tech, movies, news, chat, veganism, and COVID. Also we host movie nights which are pretty rad.
I really have nothing against people with more normie interests like football, TV, Marvel, etc. It's just not super popular at our end.
Yes, they love to talk about how their governments failing are the fault of everyone else,
Yes, I am american how did you know
Yes, they love to talk about how their governments failing are the fault of everyone else
Alright, here's a fun experiment we should try: you know what America did to North Korea? Let's allow, say, China, do the same thing to America. That includes:
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Destroy almost literally every single building in the country, including factories, hospitals, and schools.
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Kill 15-20% of the entire American population.
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Destroying all the irrigation dams and other structures so that farming is made incredibly difficult.
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Bombard the country with so many bombs that the people are forced to live underground and only farm at night.
I think this will be a fair experiment to see if American capitalism can compare with socialism when the rubber meets the road.
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I remember lemmy.world got a bunch of heat for defederating from them pre-emptively, but it seems like it was a good call at this point.
Bad faith arguments and sealioning abound from their users and it seems the whole instance is just designed to encourage it.
"Everyone who disagrees with me is Sealioning!" Its a ridiculous concept and i take exception to the suggestion that we are debate nerds, or civil. What evidence does anyone ever present in an internet debate beyond a news article or a wikipedia entry? Its become apparent that the people who write in those mediums are no more diligent with their research than anyone else. There are no consequences for laziness. Reputations no longer mean anything to media firms. They have monopoly power, they can print rubbish and continue to hold their audience. To truly examine any evidence requires questioning all assumptions and no one who spends their time arguing with strangers on the internet is going to be that committed. Apparently asking for evidence and and pointing out its flaws makes you a troll.
I reported a hexbear harasser to a hexbear mod... thought I was reporting it here but they are hitting me in multiple threads so I lost track of which one I reported to.
Then the mod harassed me in DMs. Sounds about right.
Then they posted to main hexbear my report and name so Im Lilley going to be harassed more.
Im a pretty patient dude, but Im going to have to delete my account if we don't do something soon @jonah@lemmy.one
