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  • weshallovercum [any]
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    4 years ago

    After WW2 ended, some Jews spent many years successfully hunting down Nazis who escaped justice. Now if we had a communist revolution, im just saying, will people like Hillary or Trump or Bezos ever feel safe? Because there will be minecraft players who would like to play minecraft with them.

    • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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      4 years ago

      I go back and forth on this. Personally I think revenge is low energy loser shit. Real Chads look to a glorious future unburdened by the filth and trauma of the old regime.

      But on the other hand it may be necessary to liquidate the old regime simply to prevent them from conspiring against the state or whatever we come up with. If Bezos is going to just sit in his apartment and not try to cause shit then fine, but if he starts talking to his buddies about doing coup shit he needs to go.

      • Birdy [they/them]
        1·
        4 years ago

        They certainly don’t get to just sit around in their apartments. Reaction from the capitalist class is inevitable - rehabilitation through labour makes the most sense for the 1%ers, let them do some honest work for once. For members of the state apparatus, maybe something more is required..

        Edit: Agree on the revenge thing though, the goal should be emancipation, and to be clear eyed about what is necessary to achieve that reality. We should be wary of those who just want to kill a bunch of people

        • marxisthayaca [he/him,they/them]M
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          4 years ago

          For members of the state apparatus, maybe something more is required…

          Truth and reconciliation and a tribunal for war crimes,.

          • autismdragon [he/him, they/them]
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            4 years ago

            Sure, but I'm going to advocate against the death penalty in literally all cases. I'm strong in my conviction that punishment and revenge based justice is always a bad road for a state to go down, and a strong believer in the inherent value of human life. Like I said in another post, I'm not going to like, betray the revolution if we start chopping off heads, but I am going to advocate against it continually.

        • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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          4 years ago

          What, slaughtering the old regime or not giving a shit what happens to them after they've been expropriated?

        • autismdragon [he/him, they/them]
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          4 years ago

          Yikes. This is the attitude that makes me uncomfortable around some fellow leftists. Like, I want a communist revolution, and I recognize that people are going to die in a communist revolution. But I don't thirst for violence, I recognize the pragmatic need for it. And I don't see the pragmatic need of killing people once the revolution is finished, unless they're doing shit to damage the revolution. There's no skin off my back if Hillary Clinton wants to live out the rest of her years comfortably. My strong conviction that everyone deserves basic human dignity is like, one of the main reasons I'm a leftist. I also have a strong conviction that vengeance/punishment-based justice is a bad road to travel. Particularly for a state, but I advise against it for an individual as well.

          Not having a thirst for violence isn't liberalism. That's just peak "everything I don't like is liberalism".

          I'm not going to like, betray the revolution if we start unnecessarily chopping off heads and shit, but I am going to advocate against it.