This guy fucking sucks, I don't care who you are. He literally stans the kurds and talks about non-violent protest in pursuit of ones goals. If this guy isn't textbook O P E R A T I V E, nobody's a fucking op.
Stop recommending his shit, dude fucking blows, and his only purpose is to scare libs into supporting whatever the state dept says
The Kurds are fuckin awesome, there's a subset of leftists that hate the Kurds because the United States worked with them to defeat ISIS in Northern Syria. ¯_(ツ)_/¯ sometimes for some people anything that actually has to face the rigors of the real world just isn't enough for them and things are only good when they're pure and haven't happened yet
It's just dumb because for one, like you mention what else were the Kurds supposed to do? Just let ISIS kill and rape them all? And secondly, US support for Rojava has always been really half-hearted, the US has never really given very much political backing to the Autonomous Administration (the government of Rojava), they just give them military aid and a bare minimum of humanitarian aid, that's it. The US also did nothing when Turkey invaded Afrin, and the US withdrew troops in order to allow Turkey to invade Tel Abyad and Serakiniye. I think if Rojava was really an American puppet they would be getting a lot more political support than what they are currently getting.
Ally with Assad and the SAA in 2017 at a time of peak leverage to prevent an inevitable and obvious Turkish/NATO offensive into Northern Syria, accepting US support in 2014-2015 is justifiable, remaining a US client in 2017, 2018, and 2019 was beyond short-sighted and it cost them leverage with Assad and most of the heavily populated northern border
Hardly any inconsistency, the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact still led to the invasion of the Soviet Union just like the Rojavan/US alliance led to a Turkish/NATO invasion
I mean in the last episode of Worst Year Ever he does lay out a really good case for why you shouldn't tell people not to counterprotest and that if fascists are marching, do confront them and overwhelm them with numbers and beat the shit out of them because if left to their own devices they will target people in the vicinity anyway. I think there's slightly more nuance to be had than just "lol he's an op"
He also tells you how to knock down riot cops and stomp them in It Could Happen Here. During the Portland protests he repeatedly said the cops deserve what they get.
I really hope we're not going to draw the line between lib and True Leftist as "they don't openly call for the murder of state officials/cops everyday." If you guys want to join a militia, then do so. But stop expecting everyone with a public livelihood to advocate violence on your behalf.
Riot cops don't uphold American global hegemony, the CIA and military do. Robert Evans literally works for NED (see: US government) funded media outlet Bellingcat.
The US government doesn’t care if some anarchists spar with white supremacists in the US. The US has completely military and police control inside its own borders. The entire grift of people like Robert is that they can look radical by supporting the most radical policies within the US, like rioting or changing economic policies (because they will never happen in this political system) but then turn around and repeat the CIA/State Dept lines on any foreign policy issue, to get other so called radicals in the US to become useful tools of the government in carrying out imperialism. Robert isn’t actually challenging any propaganda or narratives about anyone other than some activist teenagers and cops in the US. On the contrary, he further reinforces narratives about official enemies of the US and about communists historically like the USSR. He is completely hostile to "tankies".
He's a lib. Yes, he has dumb takes about tankies. But working for Bellingcat doesn't make you a CIA agent. Nor does it mean you're hired by the government to disrupt leftist movements. I've worked for Walmart and Amazon, yet I'm not a capitalist. For one thing, his podcast isn't even close to being popular enough. The CIA would just use Joe Rogan or someone like that. An anarchist in ohio isn't "carrying out imperialism" on behalf of the US government for being wrong about tankies. This is hysteria, not insight.
Second, this is unfalsifiable. The claim is that he doesn't suggest violence and when we say he does it's not the right kind of violence. There's literally nothing he could do to not be an op. If he came out tomorrow and told people to murder their governor you'd call it an op because it's going to get leftist arrested. This is why you don't base your analysis of the world on twitter screenshots and shitposts on chapo.chat or r/cth.
Robert isn’t actually challenging any propaganda or narratives about anyone other than some activist teenagers and cops in the US.
Literally no podcast does. They're podcasts. Not your personal army or vanguard party. Chapo is libs (and an op because Will's grandad was a communist informer). TrueAnon is an op (Brace worked for the government and carried out US policy goals). Everyone is an op. No podcast is going to lead the revolution for you. You're just mad because he works for Bellingcat and you saw some bad twitter takes. Being wrong doesn't make you an op.
But working for Bellingcat doesn’t make you a CIA agent
A truly socialist take of "being paid by the government doesn't mean you work for the government"
I’ve worked for Walmart and Amazon, yet I’m not a capitalist.
But do you currently work in public relations or marketing at Walmart?
Literally no podcast does. They’re podcasts. Not your personal army or vanguard party.
Absolutely true. I haven't listened to Robert Evans' podcast or whatever, but podcasts like Citations Needed are good in that they are explicitly about changing your beliefs about the US to "deprogram" people of dominant narratives, which is useful even for people already on the left.
One thing is certain, if your work is funded by the National Endowment for Democracy, you are not doing any good work.
Working for the government doesn't mean you agree with the government. And working for a private company that receives grants is not working for the government. Tons of companies receive grants and funding. Stop being obtuse.
Absolutely true. I haven’t listened to Robert Evans’ podcast or whatever
"I've never heard anything the guy said other than the tweets people get mad over." is peak internetbrain.
One thing is certain, if your work is funded by the National Endowment for Democracy, you are not doing any good work.
He writes articles sometimes, for a company that he only started working for in the past few years , that gets funding. You're trying to equate this with his entire body of work (podcasts, tweets, books, etc) being funded by NED and carrying out its goals. This is beyond intellectually sloppy. His earlier articles were in 2018, before he was brought on as an actual employee, and they were on the Christchurch shooting and right wing shit. Before that he was already working on BTB and he had done his investigative stuff in Syria and the Ukraine.
Tons of companies receive grants and funding. Stop being obtuse.
From regime change tools? Stop being obtuse. You are literally defending a guy who gets money DIRECTLY FROM A REGIME CHANGE CUTOUT OF THE US GOVERNMENT.
I mean the ruling class is not only interested in keeping the peace. Sometimes street violence serves their interests, and I think his purpose is less about preventing the left from punching chuds and more about steering the left away from threatening ideology, and thus in turn threatening praxis.
And I'm sorry but I'm not interested in a nuanced take about someone who works for an NED-funded rag and tells the "radical left" to hate all of the US's adversaries and do ineffective decentralized/horizontal organization.
The US government doesn't care if some anarchists spar with white supremacists in the US. The US has completely military and police control inside its own borders. The entire grift of people like Robert is that they can look radical by supporting the most radical policies within the US, like rioting or changing economic policies, because they will never happen in this political system, but then turn around and repeat the CIA/State Dept lines on any foreign policy issue, to get other so called radicals in the US to become useful tools of the government in carrying out imperialism. Robert isn't actually challenging any propaganda or narratives about anyone other than some activist teenagers and cops in the US.
The US government is white supremacist. It's chocked with racial supremacists. Racial supremacy and capitalism go together. Fighting white supremacy is fighting cops, fighting cops is fighting the state. The state is white supremacist. You can't pretend that fighting cops doesn't matter only the military. The cops are domestic military at this point. What kind of state is okay with anarchists fighting cops? Anarchy isn't a challenge to capital? I'm not an anarchist and I know we like to have our sectarian shitfights. But this is just silly. I hate to be rude, but you copy/pasted this comment at me so I assume you think it's particularly good.
but then turn around and repeat the CIA/State Dept lines on any foreign policy issue, to get other so called radicals in the US to become useful tools of the government in carrying out imperialism.
"Guy having bad takes on twitter turns leftists into useful tools of imperialism" Pure ideology. Please don't tell me you go around saying how much of a ML you are and how everyone who isn't is a lib op while saying shit like the above.
The Kurds allowed Syrian and Russian troops to enter certain areas in order to stop a Turkish invasion, but other than that the relationship between the Kurds and the Syrian government is very tense because the Syrian government wants to regain full control of the Kurdish controlled areas, and the Kurds want to retain their autonomy and keep their revolution going. There have been attempts at negotiations but they never went anywhere because neither side is willing to concede very much.
This guy fucking sucks, I don't care who you are. He literally stans the kurds and talks about non-violent protest in pursuit of ones goals. If this guy isn't textbook O P E R A T I V E, nobody's a fucking op.
Stop recommending his shit, dude fucking blows, and his only purpose is to scare libs into supporting whatever the state dept says
I thought the Kurds were cool
Yeah maybe a little uninformed, I thought so as well? Rojava is Kurdish right
The Kurds are fuckin awesome, there's a subset of leftists that hate the Kurds because the United States worked with them to defeat ISIS in Northern Syria. ¯_(ツ)_/¯ sometimes for some people anything that actually has to face the rigors of the real world just isn't enough for them and things are only good when they're pure and haven't happened yet
It's just dumb because for one, like you mention what else were the Kurds supposed to do? Just let ISIS kill and rape them all? And secondly, US support for Rojava has always been really half-hearted, the US has never really given very much political backing to the Autonomous Administration (the government of Rojava), they just give them military aid and a bare minimum of humanitarian aid, that's it. The US also did nothing when Turkey invaded Afrin, and the US withdrew troops in order to allow Turkey to invade Tel Abyad and Serakiniye. I think if Rojava was really an American puppet they would be getting a lot more political support than what they are currently getting.
Ally with Assad and the SAA in 2017 at a time of peak leverage to prevent an inevitable and obvious Turkish/NATO offensive into Northern Syria, accepting US support in 2014-2015 is justifiable, remaining a US client in 2017, 2018, and 2019 was beyond short-sighted and it cost them leverage with Assad and most of the heavily populated northern border
I guess they deserve to die then
Where the fuck did I even imply that?
I don't see any racism towards Kurds here. Can we not do this shitty kind of argument? Not supporting Rojava isn't racist.
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The same people who will stan Stalin despite the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact and not understand the obvious inconsistency here.
Hardly any inconsistency, the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact still led to the invasion of the Soviet Union just like the Rojavan/US alliance led to a Turkish/NATO invasion
No it's officially a multi-ethnic autonomous region, half of the population isn't even Kurdish
He can't be an op, he tells leftists to buy heckin gunarinos that's how you know he's an epic radical
I mean in the last episode of Worst Year Ever he does lay out a really good case for why you shouldn't tell people not to counterprotest and that if fascists are marching, do confront them and overwhelm them with numbers and beat the shit out of them because if left to their own devices they will target people in the vicinity anyway. I think there's slightly more nuance to be had than just "lol he's an op"
He also tells you how to knock down riot cops and stomp them in It Could Happen Here. During the Portland protests he repeatedly said the cops deserve what they get.
I really hope we're not going to draw the line between lib and True Leftist as "they don't openly call for the murder of state officials/cops everyday." If you guys want to join a militia, then do so. But stop expecting everyone with a public livelihood to advocate violence on your behalf.
Riot cops don't uphold American global hegemony, the CIA and military do. Robert Evans literally works for NED (see: US government) funded media outlet Bellingcat.
The US government doesn’t care if some anarchists spar with white supremacists in the US. The US has completely military and police control inside its own borders. The entire grift of people like Robert is that they can look radical by supporting the most radical policies within the US, like rioting or changing economic policies (because they will never happen in this political system) but then turn around and repeat the CIA/State Dept lines on any foreign policy issue, to get other so called radicals in the US to become useful tools of the government in carrying out imperialism. Robert isn’t actually challenging any propaganda or narratives about anyone other than some activist teenagers and cops in the US. On the contrary, he further reinforces narratives about official enemies of the US and about communists historically like the USSR. He is completely hostile to "tankies".
He's a lib. Yes, he has dumb takes about tankies. But working for Bellingcat doesn't make you a CIA agent. Nor does it mean you're hired by the government to disrupt leftist movements. I've worked for Walmart and Amazon, yet I'm not a capitalist. For one thing, his podcast isn't even close to being popular enough. The CIA would just use Joe Rogan or someone like that. An anarchist in ohio isn't "carrying out imperialism" on behalf of the US government for being wrong about tankies. This is hysteria, not insight.
Second, this is unfalsifiable. The claim is that he doesn't suggest violence and when we say he does it's not the right kind of violence. There's literally nothing he could do to not be an op. If he came out tomorrow and told people to murder their governor you'd call it an op because it's going to get leftist arrested. This is why you don't base your analysis of the world on twitter screenshots and shitposts on chapo.chat or r/cth.
Literally no podcast does. They're podcasts. Not your personal army or vanguard party. Chapo is libs (and an op because Will's grandad was a communist informer). TrueAnon is an op (Brace worked for the government and carried out US policy goals). Everyone is an op. No podcast is going to lead the revolution for you. You're just mad because he works for Bellingcat and you saw some bad twitter takes. Being wrong doesn't make you an op.
A truly socialist take of "being paid by the government doesn't mean you work for the government"
But do you currently work in public relations or marketing at Walmart?
Absolutely true. I haven't listened to Robert Evans' podcast or whatever, but podcasts like Citations Needed are good in that they are explicitly about changing your beliefs about the US to "deprogram" people of dominant narratives, which is useful even for people already on the left.
One thing is certain, if your work is funded by the National Endowment for Democracy, you are not doing any good work.
Working for the government doesn't mean you agree with the government. And working for a private company that receives grants is not working for the government. Tons of companies receive grants and funding. Stop being obtuse.
"I've never heard anything the guy said other than the tweets people get mad over." is peak internetbrain.
He writes articles sometimes, for a company that he only started working for in the past few years , that gets funding. You're trying to equate this with his entire body of work (podcasts, tweets, books, etc) being funded by NED and carrying out its goals. This is beyond intellectually sloppy. His earlier articles were in 2018, before he was brought on as an actual employee, and they were on the Christchurch shooting and right wing shit. Before that he was already working on BTB and he had done his investigative stuff in Syria and the Ukraine.
From regime change tools? Stop being obtuse. You are literally defending a guy who gets money DIRECTLY FROM A REGIME CHANGE CUTOUT OF THE US GOVERNMENT.
I see no reason why an op wouldn't say that
So he's an op when he's against violence, but also an op when he's for it?
"There's slightly more nuance here" seems right.
I mean the ruling class is not only interested in keeping the peace. Sometimes street violence serves their interests, and I think his purpose is less about preventing the left from punching chuds and more about steering the left away from threatening ideology, and thus in turn threatening praxis.
And I'm sorry but I'm not interested in a nuanced take about someone who works for an NED-funded rag and tells the "radical left" to hate all of the US's adversaries and do ineffective decentralized/horizontal organization.
The US government doesn't care if some anarchists spar with white supremacists in the US. The US has completely military and police control inside its own borders. The entire grift of people like Robert is that they can look radical by supporting the most radical policies within the US, like rioting or changing economic policies, because they will never happen in this political system, but then turn around and repeat the CIA/State Dept lines on any foreign policy issue, to get other so called radicals in the US to become useful tools of the government in carrying out imperialism. Robert isn't actually challenging any propaganda or narratives about anyone other than some activist teenagers and cops in the US.
The US government is white supremacist. It's chocked with racial supremacists. Racial supremacy and capitalism go together. Fighting white supremacy is fighting cops, fighting cops is fighting the state. The state is white supremacist. You can't pretend that fighting cops doesn't matter only the military. The cops are domestic military at this point. What kind of state is okay with anarchists fighting cops? Anarchy isn't a challenge to capital? I'm not an anarchist and I know we like to have our sectarian shitfights. But this is just silly. I hate to be rude, but you copy/pasted this comment at me so I assume you think it's particularly good.
"Guy having bad takes on twitter turns leftists into useful tools of imperialism" Pure ideology. Please don't tell me you go around saying how much of a ML you are and how everyone who isn't is a lib op while saying shit like the above.
sure he buys into what ever the State Department says, but lets ignore that
Alright, I'm going in...
So, what opinion should we have about the Kurds?
They are impure so they deserve to die, as adjudicated by internet socialists
Kurds have the support of the Syrian government now that the US abandoned them I thought?
The Kurds allowed Syrian and Russian troops to enter certain areas in order to stop a Turkish invasion, but other than that the relationship between the Kurds and the Syrian government is very tense because the Syrian government wants to regain full control of the Kurdish controlled areas, and the Kurds want to retain their autonomy and keep their revolution going. There have been attempts at negotiations but they never went anywhere because neither side is willing to concede very much.
Every time Assad makes moves on FSA ISIS prisoners tend to "escape" from YPG prisons