She ain't an imperialist, donno what to tell you all.

https://twitter.com/GuillaumeLong/status/1329836004287639554

  • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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    You are probably the most evil person who posts here regularly.

    How do you hope to get anything done if you're that far detached from reality? Calling other leftists evil for having the gall to point out that politicians make compromises is cop shit.

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      You aren't pointing out politicians make compromises. I've said that several times already.

      You are saying AOC's line on Venezuela is good, correct, and criticizing it is wrong.

      I will support the actions of politicians when they support my political aims. I will criticize them when they don’t.

      This is what you are arguing against.

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        You are saying AOC’s line on Venezuela is good, correct

        No, I'm saying that it's understandable for politicians to give non-answers when no movement on the issue is possible, and when you can only lose ground by getting drawn in to a discussion. I'm saying we shouldn't rake one of the furthest-left politicians in the country over the coals because they're making an understandable compromise on such an issue.

        You're not just arguing against that, you're calling that evil. Get your head out of your ass and go talk to someone who isn't a terminally-online leftist.

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          I’m saying that it’s understandable for politicians to give non-answers when no movement on the issue is possible

          The Democrats have removed sanctions on Venezuela before during Chavez's leadership. It is significantly more "possible" than Medicare for All or Green New Deal. The Democratic Party would not exist without the medical industry or the oil industry.

          You don't see me bringing this fact up to be like "See? AOC should not talk about these things at all! She should stick to what's possible." Because that is reactionary nonsense you hear from people trying to stonewall progress.

          You refuse to admit that because you care about those issues, and you do not care about the people suffering under the US sanction regime.

          That is why you are fucking evil. You are aware of how the Democrats function. But you hold out hope that if your favorite politician does imperialism good enough, they'll give you health care.

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            during Chavez’s leadership

            What's politically possible changes over the course of a decade.

            And again with the cop shit. Calling other leftists evil wrecks organizations, full stop. Hope online pissing matches feel good, because you're not ending imperialism, you're not getting healthcare, you're not agreeing on what fucking movie to watch if you turn disagreements about the best way forward into "you, personally, are evil."

            Try that shit out on anyone who's working through the process of radicalization and they'll look at you like you're one of those libertarians booing driver's licenses. Just an asshole living in another reality who's totally disinterested in getting anything done.

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              We are not an organization. I am not organizing with you.

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                  You'd be surprised how infrequently "yes, the US does imperialism against Venezuela, but AOC commenting on it has 'no benefit'" comes up in organizing.

                  In fact, it has never came up for me. Anti-Venezuelan sentiment has came up in my work exactly one time. A white woman crashed a Central American Task Force event to yell about how Chavez made her family eat trash.

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                    I'm talking about finding one of the few people in this country who outright opposes capitalism, and then accusing them of irredeemable moral failings because of a disagreement over retail politics that has zero material impact either way.

                    Again, I'm begging you, pull your head out of your ass and don't act like you're trying to sabotage whatever group you're in.