Hello, users of Hexbear:
We wanted to come back and mention that the mod team has been reflecting and performing self-crit on some recent events.
First regarding federation:
Upon review, there are some aspects of federation we could have improved on and some that we feel worked well.
For now, we are satisfied with the current allow-list with one change, we will be adding programming.dev back to the allow-list in approx. 48 hours. You may check out the post discussing and voting on that instance here: https://hexbear.net/post/528899
Furthermore, there are a lot of great comments in the first Admin SPIL JICE post, which can be found here: https://hexbear.net/post/514276
With regard to that, we would like to say that:
There aren't any more lemmy instances out there to even federate with, all the instances over 150 we are either currently federated with, removed from our allow-list, or they block hexbear.net.
As far as I know, this same set of qualifiers also applies to smaller instances. After the addition of programming.dev I don't really know any other instances that would be anywhere remotely as impactful as our federation and subsequent defederation from lemmy.blahaj.zone or sh.itjust.works.
We recognize that we could have done a much better job communicating what instances are about and having a clearer process for discussion → voting → federation. We have taken on some of the comment's suggestions for this process, which I hope can be seen in the programming.dev post.
Specifically what the inter-instance admin communication process looks like, why the instance may be a good fit, and some notable communities there with the programming.dev post. In addition to spacing out not only requests for additions, but the duration of which users are allowed to discuss and vote.
We would like to state that we thought that front-loading the stress of federation rather than drip-feeding it was the best course of action when we initially started federation. The intent was to have a few stressful weeks but remove untenable instances, resulting in a stable allow-list as quick as possible.
This choice caused undue stress to our marginalized comrades, and for that I am very sorry.
With that being said, there are no plans to do any kind of second instance or "air-lock" instance
If another person wants to go through the effort of making an air-lock instance, we can federate, but the mod team does not have the desire or honestly have the bandwidth to admin/organize a 2nd hexbear so to speak
Looking to the future, here are some personal observations of what could occur, after the addition of user-side instance blocking
- I don't foresee lemmy.ca , SIJW , lemmy.blahaj , lemmy.world , feddit.de or beehaw.org removing hexbear from their blocklist anytime soon
- Maybe the situation with lemm.ee could change
- I don't see the situation with lemmygrad or lemmy.ml changing as those admins are all chill with us
- The rest of them are small hobby instances which really don't impact or create drama on our side
I also want to reiterate some points from our code of conduct in attempts at cultivating more good-faith discussion and to help our ND comrades.
"Please "remember the human" and be kind to your fellow leftists."
"Respect that people have differences of opinion and that every leftist has a place in our community."
"We are a platform that welcomes anyone who wants to be here in good faith"
How this looks in practice:
- Don't make excessively dry/hard to parse/reactionary bit accounts
- Don't label users as wreckers, instead use questions to better understand or block them
- Don't argue or assume bad-faith from other users, even if they are a young account (remember, people remake accounts often)
- Consider using tone indications when appropriate
- Don't use ableist language
- Please report posts/comments you find are against the code of conduct.
Finally, I want to remind users that they are able to curate their feed in their user settings, allowing a user to set their feed to All / Local / Subscribed.
All is content from all federated instances, Local is content from Hexbear.net only, and Subscribed is content from subscribed communities (on all instances federated) only.
In addition, you are able to block users, and report any unsolicited or harassing DMs.
Users are encouraged to provide additional feedback, thoughts, concerns, etc. on Hexbear as a site, federation, or moderation in this post.
Thank you for all helping to make this site unique and amazing!
Whatever you do I hope you keep the format if that
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thread, that shit was hilarious.beehaw.org
dont try those guys, most of their userbase is lemmys who lemmygrad bullied out for being fascist, rabid anti-communists. They're the Gusanos of lemmy.
Didn't we already try federating with them or am I misremembering that?
I appreciate so much the openness and careful consideration that goes into administrative decision-making here. This is a beautiful little piece of the internet; thank you for all the labor and love you've put into it.
I agree, I love the little queer punk dive bar we’ve all built for ourselves here out on the fringes of the internet.
also hard to parse bit accounts. rip BMF, we hardly knew he
Death to America
I said it in the other thread, but i don't see a problem with weird or inscrutable humor. Even NT people don't get every joke. Sometimes half the fun is not getting it and puzzling over what it means. I mean, it starts to be art, and plenty of art is far from transparent. Requiring that all jokes immediately make sense to everyone might stifle humor on the site.
What's more important imo is that people feel comfortable when they don't get it, and feel comfortable asking for clarification. There shouldn't be a "only cool kids get it" vibe.
PS, I'm still listening to people's takes and figuring out what I think, if your feelings differ from mine PLEASE feel free to share with meI don't mind reactionairy bit accounts, as long as they answer honestly when asked wether they're doing a bit or not
As someone that both loves bits and cannot always understand intent where it is obvious to others, I think that's decent nuance. Not just "oh is this an extremely weird racist I need to cyberbully" but "will I be mocked and humiliated for responding sincerely/asking for clarification" as that's when it gets really stressful. If you're doing a bit as a reactionary, at least don't be mean if someone believes you and responds how one should if they encounter a chud.
Luv me mods, luv me trans comrades, 'ate chuds. Simple as
Don't like it? There's the door.
Someone made a bit where they explained the hexbear motto. PPB. polite, precise, brief. This is such a good bit we should run with it.
PPB is also the Portland Police Bureau so that extra pig for the PB
I'm liking where things have settled. All I was hoping for was grad and ml. I got trek lemmy as a bonus, which is nice.
I figured blahaj wouldn't work, but I think it's cool you tried. Sucks about the DM thing. I felt bad that happened.
I don't wanna say it was worth putting stress on people here, but I think it's funny that
was manifested across the fediverse. I hope they keep telling people scary stories about how "hexbear is pro trans, has an unapologetic tone, and has fun emojis that annoyed me (a redditor)" because I think it can be a beacon for some future friends.I hope they keep telling people scary stories about how "hexbear is pro trans, has an unapologetic tone, and has fun emojis that annoyed me (a redditor)" because I think it can be a beacon for some future friends.
I also think that the more incoherently somebody describes our position, the more curiosity we will receive. it's one thing to be just called a wrecker instance, it's another thing entirely for our description to be "far left tankies but love Putin, everybody has pronouns but are alt-right 4channers pretending to be LGBT, stupidly large emojis and they keep posting images of a pig shitting on its own balls when confronted," if I saw that description of of a community out in the wild I'd be like "holy shit, what the fuck is going on over there? I gotta check this out!" honestly I think that a similar weird description is what brought me over to the subreddit
a similar weird description is what brought me over to the subreddit
lmao same
We have the best admins and best mods I love you Carcosa thank you for your service in the trenches
For tone indicators, could we get an emoji set for those? I think having a button/icon would make adding said indicators easier/more fun for users
Here's a list of some tone indicator emojis that I've seen used on discord servers. I bring them up since they're pretty slick looking and have both PNG and SVG formats ready on an open license: https://github.com/benhamill/tone-emoji
Thank you for the follow-up Carcosa.
I'm in the camp where I think federation went about as well as it could have, and your idea of not drip-feeding tension makes sense to me. I don't know if it was communicated beforehand, but if it was I missed it - That might've done a difference.
There were things we learned along the way - We should not be changing posting culture to make other instances happy, we should not be light on the banhammer - are the two major ones I can think of. But I don't think they're really mistakes as such. Had the situation been reversed and those two had been going on from the start, then I'm pretty sure we'd be here now saying that we were too banhappy, too inflexible.
These were, in my eyes, not so much mistakes to be made as they were experiences to be learned.I still think it would be good to have an initiative to make mega-threads on the most common subjects of disagreeance, which could then be linked so users could use that rather than having to rewrite the same essay 15 times. The China thread someone made a while before federation has been wildly useful to me due to that.
I think such an effort would be good, both to decrease stress for the many brave posters in the trenches, but also for everyone else. During federation it became clear to me that a lot of users here act just as a lot of the libs we mock: They rest easy because they "know" themselves to be right, and therefore do not ever investigate their beliefs. The difference is that the users on hexbear are immersed in an environment were others do investigate these beliefs, and such the users have a somewhat valid reason to feel their beliefs are based on a sound logical and factual basis. However the issue becomes clear when they are pressed or when the site disagrees on something.
I think it would be very good for these reasons to make a weekly thread were we can collectively pool our resources to make good well-sourced analysis on the most common subjects. Then at the end the best resources and analysis are made into a carrd on the subject, something akin to what @robinn2@hexbear.net did for Xinjiang.
On ND discourse which the previous thread ended up discussing - and which me and other users have been litigating since (sorry mods) - I wanna say I'm glad to see you acknowledge that this place should be ND inclusive too. I will say I am a bit disappointed you didn't touch on the subject of the exodus of the ND mod team long ago. I don't sit with all the cards on my hand, and I'd like to hear what you people that run this site think of the situation and what your perception is of what went down and why. I think such a discussion would do a lot of good, or at the very least make it clear were we all stand, which makes communication easier.
Do you think you made mistakes during that event? If so what where the mistakes, and what have you done to reverse them? Do you feel as though your moderation team is as good on understanding and discussing ND inclusivity as it was before? Do you feel as though there's a difference, and is that difference better or worse?I've brought up ND discussions before, particularly highlighting how I think moderation on what I call "debatebroism" has changed. In fact I know it is because during the first year of this site a handful of debateperverty power users got banned for being debatebros - that is arguing dishonestly, moving goalposts, changing their base of argument to avoid "losing", focusing in on specific verbage rather than thought communicated, pedantry, willfully misinterpreting and misrepresenting the others argument - and this handful of users threw a shitfit. I remember them constantly relitigating their bans that they hadn't posted anything wrong, they could not accept that their behaviour itself was unacceptable. I remember these because the behaviour that got them banned is now acceptable.
I don't think I can phrase this well, but I'll try to explain why "debatebroism" as site culture makes the place less inclusive for ND people, I know others have already explained these things before, and they did it much better, but they're not here now.
ND people have, much more than others, a different way of communicating. Verbs, verbage, sentence structure, syntax, argument construction, etc. are often done differently by an ND person than by an NT person. We live in a neurotypical world, and most everyone with neurodivergence have to make a constant effort to fit into this world, lest they get punished. This starts from a young age, "look at me when you're talking to me" is a trigger for many ND people for a very obvious reason. Another one is being mocked for how we process or present our thoughts. People will focus on an awkward sentence rather than what was being communicated, and then tell the ND person it was their fault for not communicating "clearly", despite the communication being clear - just awkward. There is a constant expectation that ND people should fit in, should strive to act as NT people, to be as them. This expectation doesn't stop during growth, it stays in society. I don't know how often a friend or family have interrupted during a discussion to say "what does this have to do with what we're talking about?" rather than just allowing the argument to be played out.
ND people are used to having to tie themselves into linguistic pretzels as they present an opinion or an argument, because they have to do it in such a way that it does not offend the other in one of the many weird ways NT people have unwritten rules of what is acceptable, and they have to do it in such a way that it is clear they're not going to be misunderstood. That sucks. It's exhausting.
Being used to being misunderstood (despite actually clearly communicating) leads to learning that when you talk to NT people you have to be long-winded and have to cover all bases of an argument, and if they don't engage with it, it's your fault. It's your fault they could misunderstand something, no matter how hard you work, and when they insist on sticking to discussing how you worded something because the wording is "insufficient" to them sucks. And it's not something that goes the other way, it never seems to anyway. It's yet another shitty neurotypical norm that makes the world fucking exhausting. It's something that leads to ND people being afraid of interacting in a social setting, because they do not know the rules of communication, and if they say something they will suddenly have to make pains not to be misunderstood.
When the site culture is one where such behaviour is acceptable, then the site becomes exhausting for ND people - it becomes less inclusive as a space. I've seen others say they're afraid of posting, and I have the same feeling. I'm constantly worried what I write is going to be misinterpreted or nitpicked or whatever. I am worried that I'm gonna have to spend a lot of effort on clearing up a misinterpretation made by one user - and you have to clear it up, because if you don't then their interpretation is the valid one for some reason, and suddenly you're shitty because they chose to read something weird.Everytime the response to this is that the site does have rules against this type of behaviour - the rules on remembering the human, being kind, not arguing in bad faith. I don't dispute that the rules were made to make the site more inclusive to ND people, I just don't think they're enforced as they were when they were made. I don't think this change of enforcement is a conscious desicion, I assume it's due to the vague language of the rules. What does it mean to be kind, to remember the human, to not argue in bad faith?
I think you would do well to discuss these rules and find a more easily understood definition of what this means, what can be expected and so forth. I think you should add explicit rules about pedantry, willfully misrepresenting and misinterpreting arguments, using rhetorical tricks rather than engaging with discussion, and other "debatebroisms".For pedantry
I understand some users will shield themselves behind "communication" or some bullshit. Pedantry does not clear up communication, it obfuscates it, focuses on a specific verbage to argue semantics rather than content. I know someone is going to take these two sentences and dig into them, ignoring the whole long spiel from before - fuck I dread once again having to argue against an idea both me and the other know isn't what was being communicated.
I think this should be explicitly against the rules. I think we should have an explicit rule that says something like "if you're unclear on what another user has tried to communicate, you should highlight what part of their post makes you unclear, and ask what they mean by it?" This comes on the heels of the whole thought about "assuming hostility".
I am also frustrated about the comment of being able to "block" users in response to this discussion. When users are discussing an issue of site culture as a whole, then the solution is not an individual one of "blocking" users. As I wrote on the other thread, if you think this is a solution to a valid complaint of behaviour making this site less welcome, then let's stop banning transphobes and people can just block them individually instead - I am here not saying that debatebros are as bad as transphobes, I am trying to highlight why I think it's wrong to say a solution is to "block" when the issue raised is one of site culture as a whole.
If it's because you do not think the observation is true or the complaint is valid, then I think you should write that. If you think the observation is true and the complaint is valid, then i think you should act on it.the UI for it requires clicking into the user you wish to block profile
You can also block a user from one of their comments. The three-dots "more" menu at the bottom-right of each comment includes a "Block user" option (circle-with-diagonal-line icon).
Thank you for your response.
I intentionally did not mention what happened with previous mods or admins as the current team were not directly involved, although many of us were present during mod team chat the preceded the team departure.
Thank you for your explanation of the events.
In summation there was miscommunication between ND community moderators and admins, all of whom were ND, and while I will not do a mod team survey of ND/NT status I can speak personally as someone with GAD and ADHD that we have a diverse mod/admin team from mods that have self-described their ND status.
I am happy to hear this. I did not think you did not have ND members, you've been pretty clear on your diversity of mod team. I moreso meant a group that was aware of and especially focused on ND issues. I can see how I did not ask this question properly, sorry for that.
We have made a number of changes from how we internally structure our entire mod/admin/dev team to how we interact in internal discussion spaces as well as the process for community & sit banns to try and learn from what occurred in the past. I will not disparage previous admins or moderators, but personally think that there were mistakes on both sides.
Thank you for sharing your view as far as it is possible without disparaging others.
Of course, and if you have any questions, I am happy to answer. I would love for the ND community to flourish again and have mentioned to the current mod team they are welcome to expand the mod team or make changes that would help that happen. With all the communities on hexbear the admins do not seek to change/shape/influence how the mods cultivate their communities, within the site code of conduct.
I can understand that, and I can see how this approach has led to some very good and active commitites with impressive self-run efforts. I don't want that to change. What I am asking is not so much a change in policy, as it is that you consider discussing what that policy means - Here referring to the whole "what does it mean when we say you should remember the human?" Maybe you've already had that, I dunno.
I want to truly thank you for you advocacy on behalf of ND comrades and am always happy to hear your thoughts on this matter.
Thanks for listening and responding, it means a lot.
I'd love to read more about the changes you made internally for better mod dispute resolution.
I want to pushback in the strongest possible terms that a crusade against perceived 'pedantry' and the inability to infer a users meaning at all times (or even know you may be misinterpreting it) at risk of a ban will make this site more 'usable' for ND people. It will make it more usable for certain ND, but pedantic style is literally a diagnostic criteria for autism I don't know how you can make a blanket statement that it will make it better for all ND people.
When two people acting within the rules have such radically different communication styles that not good can come of it, that is an absolute use case for the block and I'm flabbergasted that someone feels comfortable excluding one set of ND over another as opposed to exploring other options. I was able to have a productive conversation with dozens of other users before the user in question came in and things broke down.
Sorry, didn't mean to imply I thought the kids were engaging in that. I was responding to the fact that specific other posters are pushing that view in several different threads and Im glad to see that's not the position of the admin team.
I don't know how you can make a blanket statement that it will make it better for all ND people.
Good thing I didn't make a blanket statement, but instead examplified and explained how and why such a thing is an issue. Thank you for once again misrepresenting me.
I was able to have a productive conversation with dozens of other users before the user in question came in and things broke down.
That's a weird way of phrasing you arguing in bad faith with me and a bunch of others after I took the time to engage with your argument and answer it with quotes highlighting what I answered.
If you're gonna subtweet and lie about me, at least tag me, this is just cowardly.
But you know what, you got what you wanted, I'm leaving the site. Last thread you admitted to doing the whole thing to exhaust me and everyone else, you were shown to have lied countless times, and you still claim some indignant spot of hurt pride or whatever. I don't want to waste my time being on a site where someone can admit to lying, can be shown to lie, can admit to trolling and wanting to exhaust their alleged comrades, and nothing happens. You're doing it already again - I take pains to go thru the entire thing, explain wtf is the issue (and judging by the ratio you got last time, it's clear there's a lot of agreement on you being an obvious snivelling lying sack of shit), explain how it is an issue and make a whole bunch of suggestions, and what do you do? Well you disagree, so that means you're gonna do yet another bullshit round of nitpicking and misinterpreting. Fuck you I sincerely hope you manage to grow enough as a person as to one day be able to look back on your time here and realise how awful you were. Your arguments are flawed, yet you do not engage with people pointing out the flaws, your logic is unsound which is why you constantly need to change the point of discussion, and your morals are fucked up because you do the other two things on purpose. You suck.
Also stop pretending like modding cth is anything to brag about - It's like being proud of being a discord mod. The sub was full of stupidpollers and chasers, I'm sure you fit right in.
Agree with everything you said. You write comments very well, in this post and in the previous community discussion post.
Excellent post! The reason I tend to be a lurker is due to trauma from dealing with NTs misinterpreting me and attacking my use of language, and the effort I go through every time I post scouring my words to make sure they are "correct" in an effort to prevent that from happening.
Thank you Egon for advocating for folks like me.
Thank you for supporting me in supporting you ♥️ Honestly thanks for chiming in, it's nice to see it's not just something I experience on my own, and it's good for others to see as well.
It's a real struggle with wording things "good enough" for NT to be able to pick it up. I don't get how those people ever manage to have a regular conversation together, seems to me is all they do is pick the worst possible interpretation of what you say or part of what you say, and then that's apparently what you said. Personally I'd just ask a clarifying question, but then again I'm not normal and bad at communicating apparently
Wow, holy shit, return of the king. Thanks so much, means a whole bunch when its coming from you
Hope you're doing well, it's good to see you're still around 
(for context, I have been pretty active on a non-hexbear alt under a different name.)I still think it would be good to have an initiative to make mega-threads on the most common subjects of disagreeance
yes! please!
which could then be linked so users could use that rather than having to rewrite the same essay 15 times.
If you mean linking outsiders to a pre-written response by someone else, in most cases I think it's a bad move. I think often you really do have to just copy and paste parts of your old comments sometimes, and add changes to fit the flow and vibe of the current conversation, although you should definitely cannibalize and paraphrase other people's stuff from hexbear. I think the only time you can get away with linking a pre-written response is when the other person is already feeling open-minded and curious.
When you link directly to someone else's pre-written response, 1) it comes across as you not thinking for yourself, and 2) libs won't read it. Often the only way to make libs read is to address the text directly to them as part of a discussion. This way, they have to read it so they can respond to you. Another benefit: other libs in the thread are more likely to read the text this way, because the person you're talking to stands in for all of them, and they get invested in the exchange.
Related to that, often I think it's best not to lay all your cards down in the first comment. Hook people in with one or a few good points, then follow up with more.
And finally, this is sort of a fine line, but, I never insult anyone. I get frustrated, I get passionate, I call people out, but I never malign anyone, even implicitly. I always assume (or pretend) that people are good but misinformed, or just have not thought about things from a certain angle yet. I remember my past self. IMO the only time we should insult people is when we are dead sure of three things: 1) most of the audience is against them, 2) they are a lost cause, and 3) they are a huge jerk who should be insulted.
The China thread someone made a while before federation has been wildly useful to me due to that.
I made that.
I think such an effort would be good, both to decrease stress for the many brave posters in the trenches, but also for everyone else. During federation it became clear to me that a lot of users here act just as a lot of the libs we mock: They rest easy because they "know" themselves to be right, and therefore do not ever investigate their beliefs. The difference is that the users on hexbear are immersed in an environment were others do investigate these beliefs, and such the users have a somewhat valid reason to feel their beliefs are based on a sound logical and factual basis. However the issue becomes clear when they are pressed or when the site disagrees on something.
yes!
and sometimes I think it's ok to acknowledge when we don't know something. That way, when you take a blow in a conversation, it's a blow to you rather than a blow to leftism.
Thanks for the insightful input, I agree on basically all points. Yeah I moreso meant some thing were it was easy to cannibalize text and you'd have a lot of sources handy, rather than allmof us doing that individually
I am also frustrated about the comment of being able to "block" users in response to this discussion. When users are discussing an issue of site culture as a whole, then the solution is not an individual one of "blocking" users. As I wrote on the other thread, if you think this is a solution to a valid complaint of behaviour making this site less welcome, then let's stop banning transphobes and people can just block them individually instead
this is maybe a general fediverse/lemmy question, is there a way to more visually show users when they are posting on another instance or even viewing posts from another instance? Like small symbols or colours.
I think federation on the whole has been a success so far, a funny kind of dialectical process.
I agree and would also like clearer UX when popping out of instance to interact with folx. As far as I’m aware, that’s not a setting that can be be adapted right now. In the future, I’d love to see a bit more of a UX indicator when that occurs as well.
This is all a work in progress. We really believe in what both good federation and Lemmy as a project itself can achieve. Thanks for coming along for that ride, we know dialectical synthesis can be bumpy sometimes.
I keep only hearing about the votes after another shit instance full of reactionaries has been added to our allow list. Do these posts get stickied and i just need new glasses or do i have to permanently visit c/anouncements if i want a say in whether to re-federate with a provenly super problematic instance full of the worst bazinga brain techbro reactionary dingdongs? I fucking hated every single user with a @programmingdev behind their username that i've seen so far, they all where insufferable chuds and they fucking reeked, honestly not looking forward to being federated with that insignificant shit site again and tbh i see zero reason to even bother with such a tiny loser instance unless they're super cool (which they very clearly are not).
y'all are great thanks for doing what you do
On the possibility of an "air lock instance", and mainly for everyone here reading who would be in favor - I don't think that can work. It'd be apparent what we're doing from the outside, and the obvious signal to other instances is that our air lock instance would be our dedicated shitposting and PPB instance. It'd get defederated with nearly everyone right away. For better or for worse, having a single instance and federating with it shows our sincerity in participating in the broader discussion.
Wouldn't an "air lock" instance only federate with Hexbear and not with anything else? I'd assume that's the entire point of having one.
I thought of it in reverse, i.e. the airlock is the bridge between hexbear and the rest of lemmy, and the airlock is the channel communications come through. Hexbear would then defederated from everyone but the airlock, and the airlock would federate everyone. I don't know if there's a commonly understood interpretation but either way, the problem I'd see with that is that having one instance that federates and one that's safe means that we'd have our instance that we can shitpost from without recourse and is almost meant for shitposting, and then our "safe" instance where we could wash our hands of the shitposting and come back to isolated discussion. Seeing the amount of PPB we've been dishing out and knowing it'd all be coming directly from one instance, I think I know what would happen.
I’ve always envisioned the airlock as being a place for safe spaces away from newly federated servers.
E: current hexbear is outer heaven, the new zone is inner heaven.
I don't think it would work for s lot of reasons - momentum primarily. The only way it could function as intented would be if the new instance was the one that stayed defedded from everything else.
General feedback on Hexbear: The megathread is only visible if you're subbed to the comm it's posted in. This means I can't use the "subscribed" view option as intended if I want access to the mega, and am instead stuck using "local" and scrolling post random posts from comms I don't care about. Bonus: this also means I can't curate federated content unless I add every single comm I don't like to the block list.
Ideally the mega would have its own global pin. Technically this would mean potentially putting a post from an unsubbed comm in people's feeds, but since the content of the mega is never more that tangentially related to the comm/topic I don't think that's too big of a deal
I know there's getting thoughts about this, but imo it would be sensible to have a "c/mega" comm to host the general megathread
I know that's how many feel, but it doesn't resonate with me personally, is all
This level of transparency and working with the community while self reflecting and being open to discussion is such a breath of fresh air on the Internet. Thanks for all the hard work the team does to help achieve that while trying to ensure the safety of our most vulnerable users.
As for the ND community on here, I'd love to see that revived and also expanded to include disability rights as a whole.
