damn i bet they have some cool history books over there that're not translated into english. i want to hear hot chinese takes on the soviet union, stalin, brezhnev etc.

  • Fear_and_loading [none/use name]
    28·
    4 years ago

    is it me or do you guys dickride china too hard like bruh it's a country composed of humans not unattainable gods

      • cracksmoke2020 [none/use name]
        2·
        4 years ago

        100% this, the chapo sub was considerably more critical of China before all the sinophobia took over the website during the HK protests. A lot of western communists were critical of China, just because in some ways it's better than the US, in a lot of other ways it's really not special in any way other than it's size.

        Cuba is like actually a model I'd want to see my own country make efforts to adopt, I don't really feel the same way about modern China.

        • discopolo [none/use name]
          4·
          4 years ago

          You have to understand that most Western leftists base their ideology on being the opposite of what their country, mainly America likes.

          • cum_drinker69 [any]
            1·
            4 years ago

            Or they just oppose the imperialism their country conducts?

            • discopolo [none/use name]
              6·
              4 years ago

              Why yes the future of socialism is capitalism, except it’s based Chinese

              • cum_drinker69 [any]
                2·
                4 years ago

                "Don't resist american imperialism because China bad" is a brainlet take. Try harder at least.

                • discopolo [none/use name]
                  2·
                  4 years ago

                  Did I say China is bad? Lol you and the rest of the users on here are definitely at the head of resisting American imperalism.

                    • discopolo [none/use name]
                      ·
                      4 years ago

                      I don't want to resist China, I want them to take over and bring over some of their techniques for dealing with troublesome individuals over here.

      • DivineChaos100 [none/use name]
        4·
        4 years ago

        I can't help but feel that the most effective counter to that would not be unironic dickriding disguised as ironic dickriding, but honest discussion and finally not saying critical support just to seem neutral.

      • Pezevenk [he/him]
        ·
        4 years ago

        It's mainly just reddit for some reason. The mainstream media to a lesser extent too, but it's only reddit that obsesses over China.

      • Fear_and_loading [none/use name]
        19·
        4 years ago

        The interest aint the issue, it's the obsessive and fawning nature of every post about china on here

        • mrbigcheese [he/him]
          1·
          4 years ago

          My entire life i've only ever been told about China as though they are some genocidal Nazis, and everything in the west you ever hear about China is how they're evil and shit. People being interested in learning more about the largest socialist state in the world on a leftist site you think is weird? You can find plenty of negative things about China everywhere, how is it weird to actually want to learn and engaged with other things?

          • Fear_and_loading [none/use name]
            21·
            4 years ago

            My entire life i’ve only ever been told about China as though they are some genocidal Nazis, and everything in the west you ever hear about China is how they’re evil and shit

            I mean I've lived in America my whole life and I never got that, so that's incorrect

            you can find plenty of negative things about China everywhere, how is it weird to actually want to learn and engaged with other things?

            Wanting to learn is fine, acting like China is this magical equestrian where the blessed and holy people dance under the light of heaven itself . I see a lot of that second thing all the time round these here parts

            • Rod_Blagojevic [none/use name]
              1·
              4 years ago

              Maybe it's an age thing. There is a little period where the sinophobia cooled down. I grew up hearing China forces everyone to abort their second child. It was common knowledge. I also heard all about the terrible suppression of falun gong. However, I disliked our own right-wing religious fundamentalists so much I couldn't help but wonder if China was on the right track.

            • mrbigcheese [he/him]
              6·
              4 years ago

              this is a site for people to discuss and shitpost about leftist shit, its not a fucking workers international, get off this high horse bs, if you dont like something you go on and ignore it, you dont have to act like your day is ruined cause you saw people talking about China on chapo.chat

        • pisspissass [none/use name]
          3·
          4 years ago

          EVERY MORNING I WAKE UP AND OPEN PALM SLAM A VHS INTO THE SLOT. IT’S THE LITTLE RED BOOK AND RIGHT THEN AND THERE I START DOING THE MOVES ALONGSIDE WITH THE MAIN CHARACTER, MAO ZEDONG. I DO EVERY MOVE AND I DO EVERY MOVE HARD. MAKIN WHOOSHING SOUNDS WHEN I SLAM DOWN SOME LANDLORD BASTARDS OR EVEN WHEN I MESS UP TECHNIQUE. NOT MANY CAN SAY THEY BUILT SOCIALISM. I CAN. I SAY IT AND I SAY IT OUTLOUD EVERYDAY TO PEOPLE IN MY COLLEGE CLASS AND ALL THEY DO IS PROVE PEOPLE IN COLLEGE CLASS CAN STILL BE IMMATURE JEKRS. AND IVE LEARNED ALL THE LINES AND IVE LEARNED HOW TO MAKE MYSELF AND MY APARTMENT LESS LONELY BY SHOUTING EM ALL. 2 HOURS INCLUDING WIND DOWN EVERY MORNIng

        • skollontai [any]
          15·
          4 years ago

          Yeah, it's the thing I hate most about this site for sure. Gotta just ignore all the cringe. They seem to swarm their own posts though--on a thread about a non-China topic, you wouldn't be getting as many downvotes. It takes a special kind of "became a ML through youtube videos" energy to honestly think China in 2020 is "actually existing socialism" that needs to be coddled on chapo.chat. The type of person who enthusiastically defends the economic system that created Foxconn and Jack Ma is not really worth thinking too much about, but my diagnosis would be that they really need to have a hero to root for (natural since many people view geopolitics as a sport) and can't quite wrap their mind around the fact that we are as close to socialism as a peasant in the Great Peasant War was to capitalism [insert Brace rant].

          Downvotes below please, thank you!

          • Fear_and_loading [none/use name]
            16·
            4 years ago

            Yeah like uh, I know china aint the new third reich like some conservatives say but like, it aint all that perfect or good and acting like it is just reminds me of catholic high school kids becoming virulent fedora atheists because they discovered The Amazing Atheist videos on youtube

            • skollontai [any]
              14·
              4 years ago

              You and I don't get it. I'm told we're being idealists. If we understood the immortal science of Marxism -Leninism, we would be able to view things from a materialist perspective, and we would understand that socialist states are not judged by their economic systems as they currently are, or the actions that their leadership have taken to date, but instead by the intentions Youtube Marxists and state television ascribe to the country's leaders. Unless we have access to Xi Jinping's diary, we'll never be able to argue that China is anything less than Actually Existing Socialism.

              • Fear_and_loading [none/use name]
                15·
                4 years ago

                I got an insanely spicy take to counter that assertation:

                You can do bad shit in service of a "greater goal". Doesn't make the bad shit not bad

                FFS the guys who nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki and firebombed cities all over the world thought they were doing it for a "greater good". You can do some pretty fucking heinous shit so things will be nice tomorrow

                • skollontai [any]
                  14·
                  4 years ago

                  See, the tragedy of this website, is that because I agree with you and have expressed similar opinions before, I can verbatim predict how the Foxconn brigade would respond. (Something like "you're a western chauvinist projecting western imperialism onto China, they would never nuke anyone ever, I know because they said so on the floor of the UN and no one has ever lied there. Here are 500 tweets by Max Bluementhal to prove my point.")

                  Sigh. Maybe I need to avoid these threads until the average Chapo user is less terminally online, but I'm hesitant to do so because I feel like letting China simps clog up the homepage with CGTV clips without any debate is how sites like this end up being dead end forums with like five Red Guard posters and five FBI agents.

                  • Fear_and_loading [none/use name]
                    15·
                    4 years ago

                    outside of main it's pretty good. Just wait it out most of em are acting up because they feel people are unfair to China so they take up a contrarian position where China is actually perfect. It's like when people discover that like, America didn't solo WWII so they then think that it was entirely the soviets that did literally everything. Second opinion bias stuff

    • gay [any]
      ·
      4 years ago

      Dickriding goes against volcel principles, so no

    • neebay [any,undecided]
      2·
      4 years ago

      speaking as an American, we see China surpassing us as a world power, and we cannot help but feel strongly about it and react

      and for most Americans, this is manifesting as sinophobia, but for those of us who hate the US, it's manifesting as sinomania

      • Fear_and_loading [none/use name]
        5·
        4 years ago

        we cannot help but feel strongly about it and react

        ok but like most people don't care. Only the online types and even then only the political types

    • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
      3·
      4 years ago

      Since when was seeking out alternative ideas from other humans not a worthy endeavor? Do ideas have to come from unattainable gods before we consider them?

      • Fear_and_loading [none/use name]
        4·
        4 years ago

        I prob picked the wrong thread to bring it up but it's something that's grated on me since we moved