It's Going Down podcast interviewed an Assyrian living in Qamishlo, and he claims that the Syrian government stoked ethnic tensions in order to maintain social control and that the Rojava revolution has done a lot to break down ethnic divisions between people:
ok bro thank you for linking me "this is america". my post doesnt include a broader analysis on secterian hatred because the obvious line in this conflict is to uphold a pluralistic secular state like the one of syria, the one our friends the kurds have broken up under the wings of the west good job bro you found a mascot that underlines the fantasy you have perpetuated about this particular movement. break the glass world, the world is full of freedom struggles, the syrian kurdish one isnt a fairytale ascendant from the rest.
Yes Baathist Syria is very pluralistic, that's why they didn't allow Syrian Kurds to hold full Syrian citizenship and pursed assimilationist policies against them. Again you're just ignoring the Kurdish perspective, I'm starting to think you're an Arab nationalist.
Also read my other fucking posts in this thread, I never claimed that Rojava is a utopia.
what the fuck is this reply. you are being charged with rejecting the claims of assyrians that the kurdish-american alliance fosters an ethnonationalism that is causing ethnic cleansing on the one hand and on the other that you cant reconcile rojava as a liberation movement and simultaneously a product of oil-stealing imperialist aggression. So if we lift our gaze and pivot to OPs questions, it isnt a question about rojavas imperfections but wether or not it is fundamentally opposed to our values. It should be clear that we must oppose any attempts to divide syria or compromize its state firstly, then afterwards struggle for a transformation towards the left.
You accused me of not listening to Assyrians, so I provided an example of an Assyrian who rejects the claim that the Kurds are ethnonationalist, and you automatically dismissed him as a "mascot", whatever the fuck that means. That podcast is like an hour long so I'm 100% sure you didn't even listen to it, despite the fact that Assyrian perspectives are supposedly so important to you.
Then you claim that the Syrian government is pluralistic, which is false because it denied that Syrian Kurds were legitimate citizens of Syria and tried to forcibly Arabize them.
You seem to think that Kurds in general are just lying Western puppets with no legitimate stake in the region, and you completely ignore the fact that they've been oppressed by the Baathist governments of Syria and Iraq and even accuse Iraqi Kurds of stealing oil despite the fact that they were gassed by Saddam, which is why I think you're an Arab nationalist.
If it's a question of whether or not Rojava conforms to leftist values, I think the answer is yes. They're not perfect, they're not the anarcho-communalist utopia some Western leftists think they are, but they're committed to feminism, they're committed to multiculturalism, and they're committed to building a democratic system that provides for the poor and doesn't just favor the capitalist class.
There are a lot of powers that want to see Rojava fail. Turkey wants to see Rojava fail. Syria wants to see Rojava fail. Russia wants to see Rojava fail. Western support for Rojava is tepid and I'm sure the US would love it if the PYD was replaced with the ENKS, which is the right-wing Kurdish opposition in Rojava. A lot of people on this site argue that we can't believe everything negative we hear/read about Communist states because there is a lot of propaganda against them. I think the same thing applies to Rojava. There is a propaganda campaign against them coming from multiple fronts which is designed to make them look like tyrants and stoke ethnic division in the areas they control. Until I see strong, hard evidence to the contrary I'm inclined to believe that any accusations the Kurds are carrying out ethnic cleansing are either exaggerated, blown out of proportion or just outright false.
i dont understand how you still didnt get this. rojava is not on the losing end of the propaganda campaigns. lmao. you imbecile. you want to see strong hard evidence that is good enough to "push through the fog of anti-kurdish propaganda" which is nonsensical because the group is the beneficiary of western propaganda. you've completely misconstrued the dynamics in the area and placed yourself in a position where youre unable to deal with the assyrian question. these other points are just bullshit bickering. it doesnt matter who have treated who badly, we cannt accept any imperial ethnoseparatist projects in this region. beyond distasteful that you would articulate the assrian question in this disparaging way.
it doesnt matter who have treated who badly, we cannt accept any imperial ethnoseparatist projects in this region
Rojava is not ethnoseparatist
beyond distasteful that you would articulate the assrian question in this disparaging way.
One could say the same for how you've articulated the Kurdish question. Why are Kurdish claims of oppression "bullshit bickering" but not Assyrian ones?
No, because you're contradicting yourself and applying a double standard when it comes to Kurds Vs. Assyrians.
You think leftists should drop support for Rojava because the Kurds are supposedly trying to ethnically cleanse Assyrians, but then you say " it doesnt matter who have treated who badly".
You never said a single fucking thing about distinguishing territorial nationality and socially engineered ethnic nationality. If you think I'm so fucking stupid why are you arguing your points in such a vague, roundabout way? Spell it out for me clearly so a dumbass such as myself can understand your point.
It's Going Down podcast interviewed an Assyrian living in Qamishlo, and he claims that the Syrian government stoked ethnic tensions in order to maintain social control and that the Rojava revolution has done a lot to break down ethnic divisions between people:
https://itsgoingdown.org/this-is-america-92-an-anarchist-in-rojava-speaks/
Your post also ignores the fact that the Kurds themselves have been victims of genocide, forced assimilation, etc.
ok bro thank you for linking me "this is america". my post doesnt include a broader analysis on secterian hatred because the obvious line in this conflict is to uphold a pluralistic secular state like the one of syria, the one our friends the kurds have broken up under the wings of the west good job bro you found a mascot that underlines the fantasy you have perpetuated about this particular movement. break the glass world, the world is full of freedom struggles, the syrian kurdish one isnt a fairytale ascendant from the rest.
https://www.joshualandis.com/blog/romancing-rojava-rhetoric-vs-reality/
Yes Baathist Syria is very pluralistic, that's why they didn't allow Syrian Kurds to hold full Syrian citizenship and pursed assimilationist policies against them. Again you're just ignoring the Kurdish perspective, I'm starting to think you're an Arab nationalist.
Also read my other fucking posts in this thread, I never claimed that Rojava is a utopia.
what the fuck is this reply. you are being charged with rejecting the claims of assyrians that the kurdish-american alliance fosters an ethnonationalism that is causing ethnic cleansing on the one hand and on the other that you cant reconcile rojava as a liberation movement and simultaneously a product of oil-stealing imperialist aggression. So if we lift our gaze and pivot to OPs questions, it isnt a question about rojavas imperfections but wether or not it is fundamentally opposed to our values. It should be clear that we must oppose any attempts to divide syria or compromize its state firstly, then afterwards struggle for a transformation towards the left.
You accused me of not listening to Assyrians, so I provided an example of an Assyrian who rejects the claim that the Kurds are ethnonationalist, and you automatically dismissed him as a "mascot", whatever the fuck that means. That podcast is like an hour long so I'm 100% sure you didn't even listen to it, despite the fact that Assyrian perspectives are supposedly so important to you.
Then you claim that the Syrian government is pluralistic, which is false because it denied that Syrian Kurds were legitimate citizens of Syria and tried to forcibly Arabize them.
You seem to think that Kurds in general are just lying Western puppets with no legitimate stake in the region, and you completely ignore the fact that they've been oppressed by the Baathist governments of Syria and Iraq and even accuse Iraqi Kurds of stealing oil despite the fact that they were gassed by Saddam, which is why I think you're an Arab nationalist.
If it's a question of whether or not Rojava conforms to leftist values, I think the answer is yes. They're not perfect, they're not the anarcho-communalist utopia some Western leftists think they are, but they're committed to feminism, they're committed to multiculturalism, and they're committed to building a democratic system that provides for the poor and doesn't just favor the capitalist class.
There are a lot of powers that want to see Rojava fail. Turkey wants to see Rojava fail. Syria wants to see Rojava fail. Russia wants to see Rojava fail. Western support for Rojava is tepid and I'm sure the US would love it if the PYD was replaced with the ENKS, which is the right-wing Kurdish opposition in Rojava. A lot of people on this site argue that we can't believe everything negative we hear/read about Communist states because there is a lot of propaganda against them. I think the same thing applies to Rojava. There is a propaganda campaign against them coming from multiple fronts which is designed to make them look like tyrants and stoke ethnic division in the areas they control. Until I see strong, hard evidence to the contrary I'm inclined to believe that any accusations the Kurds are carrying out ethnic cleansing are either exaggerated, blown out of proportion or just outright false.
i dont understand how you still didnt get this. rojava is not on the losing end of the propaganda campaigns. lmao. you imbecile. you want to see strong hard evidence that is good enough to "push through the fog of anti-kurdish propaganda" which is nonsensical because the group is the beneficiary of western propaganda. you've completely misconstrued the dynamics in the area and placed yourself in a position where youre unable to deal with the assyrian question. these other points are just bullshit bickering. it doesnt matter who have treated who badly, we cannt accept any imperial ethnoseparatist projects in this region. beyond distasteful that you would articulate the assrian question in this disparaging way.
Rojava is not ethnoseparatist
One could say the same for how you've articulated the Kurdish question. Why are Kurdish claims of oppression "bullshit bickering" but not Assyrian ones?
dont you see the circular reasoning here?
No, because you're contradicting yourself and applying a double standard when it comes to Kurds Vs. Assyrians.
You think leftists should drop support for Rojava because the Kurds are supposedly trying to ethnically cleanse Assyrians, but then you say " it doesnt matter who have treated who badly".
you missed the part about distinguishing territorial nationality and socially engineered ethnic nationality?
You never said a single fucking thing about distinguishing territorial nationality and socially engineered ethnic nationality. If you think I'm so fucking stupid why are you arguing your points in such a vague, roundabout way? Spell it out for me clearly so a dumbass such as myself can understand your point.