They call it the most subversive , leftist blockbuster made in the modern era. Are they out of their minds or are they righto? You can only find out via listening.
You can only find out via listening.
looks like it will forever remain a mystery
shameYou can only find out via listening.
Who the fuck is standing outside my window yelling at me to listen to the podcast? Show yourself, coward.
Yea that shits fucked up man. In 40 years every movie online is gonna be a thinly-veiled hagiography of Jeff Bezos
Files on a harddrive are just as good and P2P will always be around.
The blue people tail sex. They also mentioned some other movie being censored on amazon, forgot which one though. Some scene everyone makes fun of.
The Wicker Man. It's actually insane that they took out the most iconic scene, the only reason anyone would watch that movie is to talk shit on it while wasted with friends.
edit: the scene in question
YES! Fuck that movie is a classic bad movie to watch with friends. What the fuck. That and the bear scene are the two iconic scenes of the movie. Godammit. Whelp, another bad precedent that is just gonna get worse!
Could this be what they mean?
https://old.reddit.com/r/DisneyPlus/comments/g1iucd/avatar_isnt_censored_on_disney_its_just_the/
So I looked it up and from what I can tell the scene they’re talking about was a deleted scene that was added to the dvd/blu ray release but wasn’t actually in the original theatrical version, which is the version that’s on streaming services.
After listening to the episode I wanna re watch it and now I have to decide whether I’m gonna watch the extended version on blu ray or watch the other version in 4K on Disney+.
Edit: nvm it’s not even in 4K on Disney+
According to the Avatar wiki (https://james-camerons-avatar.fandom.com/wiki/Avatar_(film)) there was an extended re-release in theaters in August 2010 that first had the tendril scene, so if you saw it in theaters towards the end of its run you would have seen it. The original version didn’t have it though.
I saw it not long after it came out and I know for sure that that scene was in it. I've only ever seen the movie once, and I vividly remember that scene.
Here’s an article from January 2010: https://ew.com/article/2010/01/13/avatar-deleted-sex-scene/
In the U.S. theatrical release, the pair only kiss a little (weak!) before the camera zooms out, and the next thing you know they’re on the ground, totally spent.
It could just be a Mandela effect.
I fully acknowledge that it could be, and that as a human my perception and memory are flawed, but in my memory I am about as confident that the theater version I saw had that scene as I am about anything, and I'm not sure if anything short of time travel could truly convince me otherwise.
I think it sucks in the ways that we thought it did when it first came out. Simplistic plot, bad writing, bad dialogue. Characters lacking depth. But I think their point, is that with hindsight it's clear that it has to suck in certain ways to appeal the masses. Americans don't do well with sublety, it leaves too many remaining de-activated.
Setting aside Cameron's apparent political views, a movie that is anti- american imperialism made in the 50s would be mind-blowing. A movie like that in the 60s or 70s would be a little radical. But this movie came out in 2009, and honestly the message was even kind of watered down, so by then it really wasn't as much of a huge statement.
We had been at war for almost a decade when this movie came out lmfao it's not subverting shit.
It's liberalism because u have to pretend to have a message but at the same time challenge absolutely nothing or nobody directly or explicitly ever. It's why environmentalist messages are so common, ur able to blame pollution but not actually have anything to offer in terms of solutions (other than 'stop littering')
Exactly. Praising Avatar is really a testament to how barren the 2000s were of political critique and how mind melted the general population was. The fact that the Chapos praise it while making fun of libs for the marvel movies or harry potter or whatever is hilarious lol
While I agree, I feel like most of the praise was directed at the special effects/3d or whatever. The fact that most people can't even remember the main character's name shows u how deficient the story telling was. I think mostly for a left wing audience, we've really grown desperate. We need more boots Riley type stuff
This is no different than Marvel fans insisting that Thor Ragnarok is anti-colonialism or that Winter Soldier is anti-fascist. This is the same banal, navel-gazing bullshit they are constantly chastising YouTube video essayists for.
It is, but in the same kind of recuperated way Avatar is. These movies arent about challenging systems they are about recuperating criticisms of those systems by portraying them as the fault of bad actors. Ragnarok dresses down the conquests of Asgard but Thor is ultimately still a king, just a better king. Iron Man confronts the MIC, even down to them propping up fake foreign threats to sell weapons, but Iron Man still owns a privatized armory working effectively for US interests. Avatar chastises American imperialism, but Jake Sully and Sigourney Weaver's characters are ultimately still colonizers, just more benevolent colonizers. I don't mind praising the relatively good politics of these movies, but it's really fucking rich coming from the Chapos when they detest Marvel movies and the "smoothness" of modern movies when Avatar is the apex of "smooth" mildly intriguing but unchallening and easily digestible popcorn fodder.
We're they being serious about it? I doubt it. If they were tho thats funny.
It was one of their most sincere episodes in a while. I can’t comment on if they made good points about the movie cause I was too young to remember much of it when I first saw it, but it sounded pretty convincing
Damn is this what it feels like to be old?
Either way you're not missing much. It's a technically impressive movie but that really was the whole point of the movie. The story is lacking in a lot of places.
They were 100% serious about the message being the best anti capitalist/imperialist blockbuster. And tbh after listening I agree with them
Oh no doubt it was anti capitalist and anti imperialist, but it was just super on the nose. Also kinda funny considering its one of the highest grossing movies of all time lmfao
On the nose is necessary. The movie wasn't even on the nose enough, imo.
That movie was absolutely on the nose lol not that it's bad or anything.
https://images.app.goo.gl/LL73WYySpMjuVHj29
I mean, it's a straight forward anticolonial plot. I don't see why you'd call it unintentional.
Europe equals Earth. The native Americans are the Na’vi. It’s not meant to be subtle. —James Cameron on Avatar
It took me half of the episode to realize they weren't being ironic. Felix's enthusiam conviced me to watch it again, revaluating movies like that is really fun.
I gotta agree that looking back, the politics are based; maybe I overlooked that just because the movie was so damn popular at the time
The American empire is imperialist scum that needs to be fought with violence, doesn't get much better than that
I mean it can be the most subversive leftist blockbuster and not be very good too. It was a fun film to watch. I think. I was 12, so I probably enjoyed it
I would have accepted this take if they were instead talking about Avatar: The Last Airbender and not James Cameron's hack rehash of Dancing with Wolves
