https://twitter.com/BBCAfrica/status/1702006009009463457
I remember 2011 and the lead-up to the Libyan invasion, though by that point I was already radicalized.
I was still a chud back then but even so I knew the invasion was illegal and Qaddafi was a good guy to Libya.
I was radicalized back in, I think, either 2009 or 2010.
I remember the invasion of Libya being very formative for me in my trajectory and, of course, the "We came, we saw, he died! Cackle!" video starring Hillary Clinton.
It's why I didn't vote for her in 2016 (I voted Green Party instead, though I regret that now).
Quite tragic...
how dare you, it was her turn!!!Seriously though, no need to regret that comrade. If it makes you feel better i voted for her in 16 and regret it so it evens out
this disaster literally wasnt natural, you killed and scared off all the engineers who the previous admin patronized. then the dams broke and killed thousands
So sad that nothing could have prevented these unforseen circumstances.
because uh.. 'lawlessness and turmoil', bit like when Israel does stuff they'll write something like 'a bullet was traveling through the air and happened to hit someone'
Is the implication that Qaddafi sitting at the top of an extractionist, confiscatory, oppressive, autocratic state mechanism made Libya "prosperous?"
Because... no. That's not how prosperity works. Or rather, that's the bullshit the capitalists and their lackeys in America like to present as prosperity: massive wealth inequality and oppressive living conditions for the bottom 90% are ok because look at how wealthy the wealthiest people in the country are!
Obviously creating and supporting the conditions for a persistent power vacuum once Qaddafi was murdered isn't great. But I'm very skeptical that the regular people of Libya would be any better off today if that asshole were still alive and exploiting them with his cronies. Unless Qaddafi controlled the weather somehow...?
The implication that NATO bombing Libya's infrastructure into rubble, and decapitating its leadership might have left it lawless hellscape.
U.K. Parliament report details how NATO's 2011 war in Libya was based on lies
A new report by the British Parliament shows that the 2011 NATO war in Libya was based on an array of lies.
"Libya: Examination of intervention and collapse and the UK’s future policy options," an investigation by the House of Commons' bipartisan Foreign Affairs Committee, strongly condemns the U.K.'s role in the war, which toppled the government of Libya's leader Muammar Qaddafi and plunged the North African country into chaos.
"We have seen no evidence that the UK Government carried out a proper analysis of the nature of the rebellion in Libya," the report states. "UK strategy was founded on erroneous assumptions and an incomplete understanding of the evidence."
The Foreign Affairs Committee concludes that the British government "failed to identify that the threat to civilians was overstated and that the rebels included a significant Islamist element."
WEIRD!
Obviously creating and supporting the conditions for a persistent power vacuum once Qaddafi was murdered isn’t great. But [...]
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https://www.telesurenglish.net/analysis/Libya-Before-and-After-Muammar-Gaddafi-20200115-0011.html
But I'm very skeptical that the regular people of Libya would be any better off today if that asshole were still alive
liberals and defending slavery, like a clock kek
Sounds a little bit like you're talking out of your ass and have no clue what Libya was like under Gaddafi in the first place.
You could voice a similar skepticism about the moral virtue of Saddam Hussein while still acknowledging that Iraq was immeasureably better off under his leadership than it was under the conditions the US led coalition created. The point of the post is that the conditions they are complaining about were created by (in part) the people complaining about it.
I think there's an argument to be made that leaders in the global south who are powerful enough to pursue an independent policy without caring that much about US and western interests incidentally create better conditions domestically because they don't sell their entire country's fate to global capitalism. I'm not sure what loudly denouncing a dead man accomplishes if you're going to to acknowledge that the conditions we created are manifestly causing the problem.
God forbid someone shout at them about Libya being bombed back to the bronze age and open-air slave markets being established.
Gaddafi was not above criticism and had eccentricities, but calling him a "despotic madman" is pure vibes-based politics.
"we came, we saw, HE DIED"
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