Who else can't wait to participate in the vaccine lottery?
Pfizer has said people with a history of severe adverse allergic reactions to vaccines or the candidate’s ingredients were excluded from their late stage trials, which is reflected in the MHRA’s emergency approval protocol.
Lmao. You have to be fucking kidding. Why would you exclude those groups then give it to everyone? Just exclude those groups from the rollout too until you know more.
Why would you exclude those groups then give it to everyone?
Profits, this is why press releases aren't science and shouldn't be the basis of policy, but here we are.
Yeah, but they'll still make assloads of money vaxing people without allergies. It's largely on the UK gov for fucking up that rollout.
We still don't know how long the immunity will last, what other people might be adversely affected, and its pretty clear that this was rush through to make pfizer Q4 earnings
I agree, but
Pfizer has said people with a history of severe adverse allergic reactions to vaccines or the candidate’s ingredients were excluded from their late stage trials, which is reflected in the MHRA’s emergency approval protocol.
They were given emergency exception to avoid testing on this group of people. The UK gov knew and could have avoided that group during the rollout (like they now are) and avoided all this till that group could be tested.
I know Pfizer's motivations is to make as many vaxs as possible for as much money as possible, but this was avoidable if the UK gov wasn't run by a bunch of drunk public school lads that couldn't probably spell vaccine or Pfizer.
The UK govt made the emergency approval protocol to rush this. The speed in which the vaccine is delivered probably matters more to the govt than the vaccine company
because this way they can prioritize poor people from those groups into the first mass doses and see if it's really a problem without having to wait for actual approval.
because this way they can prioritize poor people from those groups into the first mass doses
This makes no sense. Health personnel is being prioritised, not "poor people".
Obviously I meant the first group that's being prioritized out of the general pop.
...which is super old people. Like, do you seriously think they'll just say "we're starting to vaccinate people, but you can only get the vaccine if you make less than 1000k per month!"? That's such a weird way to view how capitalism works lol. If anyone is excluded in any country it's gonna be the opposite, you'll have to pay for the vaccine.
Using oppressed to test out sketchy medical treatments is a time honored American tradition.
https://hexbear.net/post/59784
Best to just delete this one. I was out of my element when I wrote it, Donnie
Because this isn't the Tuskeegee experiment, they're not trying to give people syphilis, and he linked to a literal antivax conspiracy website?
I googled the people instead of the site and they're all anti-vax nutters, so fair enough on downvotes.
Which part of "it's literally already being announced who is getting the vaccine first and it's literally already been tested on tens of thousands of people" do you find hard to figure out? The issue is EXACTLY the opposite, poor people potentially not having access.
There are a bunch of problems, and I don't really want to get into an argument because I feel like we're on totally different tracks here.
Take a look at the article (which I hope is BS but it's unsettling).
Good job linking to an article by people who literally belong to a shitty anti vax non profit (not anti-covid vax, anti vax in general) that also panics about the new world order and Bill Gates using brain mapping on their children or whatever the fuck!
A bunch of problems like what? There have been two vaccines which may be responsible for severe adverse reactions, the Johnson and Johnson one and the AstraZeneca one. NOT Moderna, or Pfizer, or Sputnik V, or Sinovac. Regardless of what you may have read in weird antivaxxer websites. And again, I can't stress this enough, it's literally already been tested on tens of thousands of people, and the first groups to be vaccinated have already began to be vaccinated, and it's not "poor people" or whatever dumb shit, if there is an issue, the issue is going to be poor communities not gaining access to the vaccine, which is exactly what happens all the fucking time.
A bunch of problems like what?
Like it's expensive, hard to refrigerate, and getting enough doses is going to take a ridiculous amount of time. Distributing the thing is going to be a massive headache.
Would you calm down?
Good job linking to an article by people who literally belong to a shitty anti vax non profit (not anti-covid vax, anti vax in general) that also panics about the new world order and Bill Gates using brain mapping on their children or whatever the fuck!
Okay, it seemed reasonably well written and had sources that don't seem insane so I linked it. There is nothing in the article about gates beyond mentioning the foundation plays a key role.
Feel free to tell me more about this thing and why I shouldn't believe them.
Like it’s expensive, hard to refrigerate, and getting enough doses is going to take a ridiculous amount of time
...none of which have anything to do with the safety, and are EXACTLY why I am saying the problem for poor communities will be access.
Would you calm down?
Not until you stop linking to terrible anti vax websites. Do you not understand how much damage it can cause? This shit won't stop if people don't get vaccinated, and people will keep dying. There is no reason to keep trying to find problems that aren't there and pushing people to antivaxxers. There's legitimate problems that you did bring up but they are of a completely different nature.
Google the people who wrote it. It's a good rule. They're in Children's Health Defense. The first thing that pops up on Google when you search them is their anti vax shit, it's the whole point of the organisation.
Not until you stop linking to terrible anti vax websites.
Except that's not a terrible anti-vax website, it's a reasonable looking website run by bad people. All you had to say is "that's an anti-vax site" instead of freaking out like I'm deliberately sabotaging something.
Calm down.
oh right Jr. I was wondering how a guy who died decades ago was driving anti-vax now.
“Any person with a history of a significant allergic reaction to a vaccine, medicine or food (such as previous history of anaphylactoid reaction or those who have been advised to carry an adrenaline autoinjector) should not receive the Pfizer BioNtech vaccine,” it said.
I don't think they know why it's happening.
Hmm, the only one of my many allergies that has ever made me wonder if I need an epipen is mold, but I've never had a reaction to other vaccines, so?
Well when your turn comes (which is probably not gonna be very soon) they'll probably know which ingredients are causing the allergy in particular.
Are you gonna stop freaking out about everything? This is a fuckup by the UK government, they knew there may be issues with people with allergies but for some reason it took them a while to exclude people with allergies. But that shit isn't that uncommon for many vaccines. https://www.healthline.com/health/vaccinations/immunization-complications#hepatitis-a
Like, come on. Shit's safe. It's all been tried extensively. The one I don't know about is AstraZeneca but that's being tried again now. But I don't understand why people are trying to blow up every little issue and act like the end is coming.
For real, the chinese vaccine was made because they actually want to immunize people. The western vaccines were made by for profit companies to make them profit, which requires being the first ones done. I'd much rather get the Chinese vacc too
Like I said. It takes more than a year to safely develop a vaccine.
