• neebay [any,undecided]
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    hmm, wonder why I've been told dozens of times that China is being too assertive about the South China Sea, but have never heard about this

      • TankieTanuki [he/him]
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        Fidel once uttered "missiles are cool af" too close to his Alexa listening device, and that by itself was enough to trigger the Cuban Missile Crisis, which almost started WWIII.

    • JoesFrackinJack [he/him]
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      You made me just think about how I've never once seen a global map with US airspace rights or whatever its fucking called

  • Classic_Agency [he/him,comrade/them]
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    After world war 2 there was no other power challenging US hegemony in the pacific. The USSR has one port city and its small and blocked by Japan. China barely had a navy and all the other potential challengers were allies of the US.

      • JoesFrackinJack [he/him]
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        Hey hey, let's not forget IBM computing for the Nazis while they sipped their Fanta by Coca-Cola, they contributed quite a bit among others.

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        contributing very little

        when you know history. i ain't no america stan but bruh

        • Juche_Gang [none/use name]
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          The war was decided already by the time the US did anything, they waited to see if the Nazis would take Moscow.

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            The Nazi offensives only started to be reversed after the battle of Kursk, in August 1943. By that time the Americans were in Sicily, and had been fighting on the Western Front for over six months.

            It's possible to argue that the USA postponed its involvement in the war in the interest of attrition of the USSR, but the path of the war was anything but clear preceding its entry.

            "Contributing very little" is accurate about the Eastern Front, debatable about the Western Front, and not reasonable about the Pacific. "Contributing less than others" is more accurate.

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              The whole fucking war was the eastern front and who gives af about Sicily? They were beating around the bush

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                No matter how fast the North Africa and Italy campaigns went, the point is that it was enough to divide the European Axis powers onto two active fronts. Unless you can tell me how the US Army could get onto the Eastern Front through Turkey and the Caucasus, or via the very Nazi-occupied Baltic Sea, there's no point in talking about the USA's influence on the Eastern Front.

                The majority of the war was the Eastern Front, but the majority isn't equal to the whole. No one is saying that the Soviets weren't the biggest factor in the war, but saying that American involvement was inconsequential is inaccurate.

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            I am fully aware america didn't change the course of the war but that doesn't mean they contributed nothing.

            I'm sure opening up another huge front in the west for germany didn't accomplish or contribute anything. It's not like the soviets were constantly asking for someone to oopen up a second front or anything. Surely destroying the german air force and keeping them occupied by having to fend off bombers did nothing. Or supplying allied countries with fuel and trucks and tons of other shit. nope nothing.

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              They didn't open the Western front when it actually mattered to the eastern front, they only showed up in n Europe after it was clear the red army would march to the Atlantic

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                do you know what planning is? Also America literally suggested doing earlier landings and britain shot it down. they decided on invading africa first to actually learn how to do an invasion. not everything was an anti soviet decision.

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                  Yeah planning while they watched the Atlantic wall being built, they were certainly doing a lot of planning when they refused to ally with the USSR against Germany before the war too, and during the Phoney War, that must have taken a lot of planning as well.

            • invalidusernamelol [he/him]
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              I am fully aware america didn’t change the course of the war but that doesn’t mean they contributed nothing.

              You're right, they contributed massive amounts of investment and resources to the Nazi regime and imperial Japan before entering the war to make sure the Soviets didn't keep going all the way to the Atlantic.

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                Why did America and Britain give the USSR supplies until the end of the war?

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                  Yeah planning while they watched the Atlantic wall being built, they were certainly doing a lot of planning when they refused to ally with the USSR against Germany before the war too, and during the Phoney War, that must have taken a lot of planning as well.

                  By the end of the war, something like 1/3 of the USSR's trucks were from lend-lease. If the USA were more troubled by the existence of the USSR than nazi-occupied Europe, they wouldn't have sent the soviets anything.

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      what's a few hundred thousand Japanese incinerated by nuclear weapons to make sure Japan didn't go communist?

  • VILenin [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Tell me more about China's stranglehold over the South China Sea

    • Poutine_And_Politics [he/him]
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      Yeah, probably. That's kinda the most terrifying thing about the assassination of Solemani under the Trump admin. At any time, for any reason, in any nation on the planet, the US can annihilate someone - and there's no recourse. No nation can take the US in a stand-up war. No nation can take it on in an economic sanction battle. You just gotta let it happen and wait for it to collapse on its own.

      • TheCaconym [any]
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        and wait for it to collapse on its own

        And pray to god they don't launch the nukes in their death throes.

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        No nation can take it on in an economic sanction battle.

        Wouldn't China be able to completely fuck the US economy if they decided to put an embargo on exports to the US?

          • CyberPoliceUnit1312 [he/him,any]
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            Sure, but these cost would be significantly smaller for China than the US. China could easily destabilize the US further.

            https://youtu.be/zQk5zd4Y1A0

        • Poutine_And_Politics [he/him]
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          Yeah probably, until the US flexes its muscle and gets the entire world to sanction China's economy. Which of course would harm the workers in the countries doing the sanctions that rely on this kind of stuff, but hey, nobody gives a shit about them right?

          I mean I'm sure China would be a-okay with it. Being able to convert the facilities they use to mass produce Western goods and turn their attention inwards could work out for them.

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    Does the US provide control?

    If the US is providing control by agreement then fees make sense. It's a needed service.