11.1 million (Out of about 14 million) to be more exact. Almost 80% of all their videos.
Isn’t my main porn site personally, but still pretty lame that all that amateur stuff is gone. Looks like it’s heading the way of Tumblr.
Just a reminder that Pornhub is worth nearly 3 billion dollars and easily could've afforded as big of a moderation team as they could've wanted lol.
Edit: Alright, this got dumber than I thought it would, so I'm leaving off with this:
I can't believe I have to say this, but it does not make someone a rapist or a pedophile to suggest that a multibillion dollar company, one responsible for a site where the public can upload things to it, can afford to have a moderation team.
Literally every site that allows public uploads. porn or otherwise, runs the risk of someone uploading something fucked up to it, that's why moderation teams exist in the first place. To find and remove such content.
Yes, it sucks ass that those mods would have to even glance at such things, but Pornhub is not some crazy unique special case here. Mods everywhere have to see fucked up shit before it can be removed to protect others.
Rule-breaking content has to verified that it is, indeed, breaking the rules. That's how moderation works.
I apologize for nothing.
Peace.
Pour one out for the Slavoj Zizek/Jordan Peterson debate upload.
I have already blown out your back wall and sho on and sho forty, Dr. Peterson. The back walls of schniff ideology.
Literally no question that this is good. If you prioritize your diversity of jerk off material over the safety of sex workers and exploited people then honestly you should really do some thinking about yourself. Under no circumstances should a rape video or child porn be up on the internet for any amount of time at all, and leaving any wiggle room will always lead to bad outcomes.
I see the argument that they should just pay for better moderation but that means things will still fall through the cracks, questionable content will remain up. Under the old system, if there is a random amateur video of a young girl fucking an older guy and it's unclear whether she's 15 or 19 (and no you can't always tell), and you report it, they don't remove it until they can verify she isn't underage. They leave it up until they can find proof that she is underage. I stopped using pornhub because I reported a questionable video like this and saw the exact thing. They just left it up. A video that really looks like a 40 year old creep fucking a teenager and it was probably still up until now.
I'm sorry that you don't have as many videos to crank your hog to, but children and sex workers are more important. Full stop.
Under no circumstances should a rape video or child porn be up on the internet for any amount of time at all, and leaving any wiggle room will always lead to bad outcomes.
That's impossible to guarantee without massive government overreach.
What they could do is crack down on the porn industry. There has been cases where even the supposedly legally produced porn was actually assault.
A better solution is to legalize and regulate
That's what they have done.
So one of the examples of this was that a site lured out women with false promises and then the guy bullied them into and just straight up assaulted them.
I don't remember how much they knew going in, but that's still massively different than expectations even if they were agreeing to do porn.
Regulation doesn't handle that, this is another fucking way in which police fail us.
So one of the examples of this was that a site lured out women with false promises and then the guy bullied them into and just straight up assaulted them.
That was the disgusting GirlsDoPorn thing. However that somehow was a verified PornHub account, so unfortunately this new policy from PornHub would not have prevented that content from being uploaded. Still think the new policy is good though, and still can't believe that someone thought it was a good idea to allow anyone to just create an account and upload pornography without any verification.
It was. There's also been at least a couple stories about big male stars (in straight porn) who are total shitbags.
still can’t believe that someone thought it was a good idea to allow anyone to just create an account and upload pornography without any verification.
gotta get that money.
I'm saying the police are shitbags who can't even be trusted to arrest someone is regularly preying on young women.
It's the whole system top to bottom.
The fucking New York Post did that to a woman just yesterday. Bastards.
She's an emergency health care worker too. So gross.
Of course. It's pretty disheartening seeing people on a communist board acting like the site that's been hosting these things for years suddenly grew a conscience, and not that their bottom line was potentially going to be royally fucked if they didn't act in response to the credit card companies shutting them off.
Sure, great, the overall effect might be good, but these fuckers deserve as much credit as Hitler does for killing Hitler.
The sex industry is run by disgusting freaks that deserve the wall. That said, it is legitimately harm reduction to eliminate the vast majority of the CP and nonconsensual content.
Who's acting like they grew a conscience? We're saying it's good, not that it's done for selfless reasons.
The were multiple news articles from the wall Street journal, new York times, Washington post, etc about PornHub having rape videos, CP and revenge porn on their site.
Hopefully that'll get most of the illegal stuff (child porn, revenge porn, etc). But that does mean that all that will be left is porn company stuff, which is generally waaaaay more exploitative than consensual amateur porn
You can never really know though. Sometimes rape and coercion don't look like some brutal act and can look like normal sex. How can you tell from a video that the woman isn't having her passport held hostage or that someone isn't threatening to kick them out on the streets if they don't do it? You can't.
Oh hey there's a lot of comments in this thread I wonder what's-
:this-is-fine:
Damn, now where the hell am I supposed to go to be able to watch the entirety of Bee Movie for free?
Bee Movie But Every Time They Say "bee" It Speeds Up, But Every Time It Speeds Up I Slowed It Back Down [reupload]
it's okay, but the next best thing they can do is take down the rest of the videos and then take down the site
PH did nothing about it for years, people uploaded revenge porn and other shit and PH just slept. Fuck 'em.
the government in 1984 had machine-generated pornographic literature, so im guessing the 1984 equivalent scenario would be taking down all videos and uploading a ton of robot sex
Wasn't this because there was a bunch of stolen content, revenge porn, and cp being posted and barely anything was done about it? I would say this is probably a good thing, even though the damage has mostly been done and MindGeek's monopoly status has been more or less completely consolidated.
Accusing and spreading rumours about someone, usually calling them a federal agent, with no evidence to make people suspicious or uncomfortable. In the context of this post it could be calling someone a pedo because they disagree with you or something. I know it's Wikipedia, but this is a basic rundown
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad-jacketing
Sure, that stuff getting removed is good, but this Scorched Earth approach is throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
Eh, if anything more pro-worker and anti-sex abuse measures could be taken. I personally don't consider the enjoyment and utility of a porn website to it's users to weigh anywhere near as much as the safety and material benefit to the people that work for it.
Or they could've just actually put in the effort of, ya know, moderating their content.
But this is cheaper and easier, sooo...
Removing videos of children being raped and revenge porn is obviously worth the cost of you having fewer options to jack it to, how is this even a question? You holding up the idea of some sort of imaginary perfect moderation system is just a distraction
No it isn't.
Pornhub has far more than enough money to do so, it's a valid criticism.
You're acting like literally half their videos were child/revenge/etc. porn, when in reality an average moderation team likely would've taken care of the problem and it wouldn't have gotten to this point in the first place.
Yeah, there has been multiple stories over the years about the reviewers for google.
It's fucking awful. You see the worst shit imaginable constantly. People burn out and end up with PTSD.
What should ChapoChat do to prevent CP from being uploaded? Maybe we should follow Pornhub's lead and ban non-verified users from uploading pictures/videos.
I'll ask you the same question:
Technically child porn can be uploaded to Youtube too.
Should all videos from unverified users be taken down from there as well?
Bet you a million dollars their algorithms don't catch all of them.
So my question stands: Should all those millions of videos of people doing absolutely nothing wrong still get nuked?
I am not "defending rape/CP" for thinking that a multibillion dollar company can afford a moderation team. You're being absolutely ridiculous.
And once again: I wish.
Can afford a moderation team? Yes. Can afford the magical omniscient moderation team that would be required to prevent videos of child porn and revenge porn to be available for anything between hours and forever? No
Fucked up content can theoretically be uploaded to countless places on the internet where the vast majority of it's average content is inoffensive.
Should literally all of them be purged of everything they've ever had because of that?
I'm more interested in how they deal with real child porn than theoretical child porn
You: Millions of innocent people, uploaders and wankers alike, should be collectively punished for the actions of a minority of bad actors when it could have been easily avoided entirely.
You have to at least see that something breaks the rules before you remove it for breaking said rules, that's literally how all moderating works you fucking dumbass.
If the video IS an underaged girl but there is no way to verify that, they should just keep it up? Is that your solution?
No, I'd say in that specific instance to remove it.
Yeah that's his point. It's a shortcoming of the moderation approach that you're advocating for that doesn't exist with the verified user approach that he's advocating for
So you would favor this approach for all video/picture uploading sites?
I'm not sure, but I don't see how it's relevant to your argument. Moderating pictures/videos for CP is unethical, so we need to find another way; your proposed solution is only allowing verified users to upload. Is that a strategy you'd push for other sites, or only Pornhub?
So any site that allows uploading of nude pictures/videos, you'd favor this approach? How do we catch and remove pictures/videos of nudes on a site like ChapoChat without employing moderators that may accidentally see CP?
filtering, weeding out porn
Who does this on ChapoChat currently? If it's humans, how is that any different than what OP proposed for Pornhub?
If anything I'd avocate for expanding this decision to more sites. Clearly allowing anyone to upload to ChapoChat already had some negative repurcussions, so I'll ask again: why should ChapoChat not follow suit and ban un-verified users from uploading pictures/videos?
And I can see how being coerced into moderating CP by capital is worse than volunteering to do so. But why put volunteers in that position anyway if we can just fix the problem by only allowing verified users to upload in the first place?
We don't allow porn, but how do we get rid of it when it is uploaded?
Right, and if what needs removing is CP then you've subjected humans to watching CP. Is that a problem? I'm not 100% sure, but it certainly makes me uncomfortable.
The difference is huge in both scale and use case. This is all a volunteer effort, not a for-profit porn company.
Profits or not, making human moderators look at CP in order to remove it is abhorrent. Why are we okay with that happening on our site?
in what context are we even remotely near having cp be a grey area?
I never said this was the case. Idk where you got that from, tbh.
I totally understand why it's easier to determine which porn to remove on here because all porn is to be deleted. But if CP is uploaded to this site, a human will have to see it before it is deleted. Why is that not bad?
I just don't understand what separates us from Pornhub when it comes to moderating CP.
Why does being smaller prevent us from implementing the same preventative tactic as Pornhub? If anything the fact that a billion dollar corporation is incapable of moderating their picture/video uploads is reason to think that we can't either.
Are you just doing this for a sake of being a contrarian?
No.
Fuck off
Ok.
Which sites are we taking about that have a problem with publically publishing child porn and revenge porn?
I wasn't talking about any specific sites, I just wondered if you think this strategy would benefit other sites, or only Pornhub?
If there are other sites that have this problem then yes, probably. It's obviously always going to be a trade off- you can distribute illegal porn through the mail too but that doesn't mean we should ban the post.
But I think this is veering off into whataboutery. Yes there's a million ways child porn can be distributed and we could argue the cost and benefit of each one. We'd probably disagree about some of them. But just because there exist examples which aren't clear cut doesn't mean pornhub isn't clear cut. You should be able to defend it on its own merits. And (other than wanting a magical omniscient moderation team), budoguy is making no attempt to do so.
Me asking you if this approach would benefit other sites is whatabouttery? Idk, seems like if you think this decision was materially benefitial to children then you'd advocate for it to be expanded to other sites. Is there a reason only Pornhub should do this, or ought we encourage other sites to follow suit?
Did you read the rest of my comment? I think I made it pretty clear that there are some channels of distribution of child porn which I think would be worth the cost of closing and some I wouldn't. Other porn sites with a similar problem to pornhub, for example, I would support going to a verified user model. Whereas I wouldn't support banning email.
What's your point exactly? We could probably have a long conversation and reason out exactly where I draw the line, but to what end? Are you willing to defend unverified content on pornhub on its own merits?
Are you willing to defend unverified content on pornhub on its own merits?
Until I hear a convincing argument I don't really know what to think. That's why I'm asking you questions and trying to understand the reasoning more.
I can't figure out why, if this decision is a good one, it shouldn't apply to YouTube or any other picture/video uploading sites as well.
Before we should be concerned? Any.
Before they should go to verified users only? I don't know where exactly to draw the line, which is why you're trying to push the argument to that, instead of discussing whether or not pornhub is on the wrong side of that line. It's the same tactic as a libertarian arguing that sex with a 13 year old is fine because you can't justify why the age of consent should be exactly 18 instead of 17 years and 11 months, and it's very transparent.
That's why I called it whataboutery. Pornhub obviously has a much worse problem with rape, child porn and revenge porn than YouTube. It also obviously has a much smaller impact of going to verified only than YouTube. No amount of sophistry is going to make that less obvious to you, me and everyone reading this.
Nice job using a term Nazis created and use at the end there lol.
Go fuck yourself asshole.
I'm not a pedo no matter how many times you say I am or how many mods you tell on me too.
I'm not defending pedophilia just because you say I am.
Go sit on a cactus, bitch.
Uh, hold up, I tentatively agree that budoguy's priorities are not correct, but I absolutely disagree that Youtube should remove all content on the site that isn't verified. It's not a porn site. Removing small creators work because its inconvenient to moderate is incredibly fucked up. Youtube already has problems trying to make a computer do a job a human should do, lets not make that worse.
Porn sites are different though.
Explain to me how long it's acceptable for a video of a teenager being raped to be on pornhub and how a moderation team would have prevented it from being up that long
Okay, you're clearly acting in bad faith with this loaded question bullshit lol.
It would've been taken down once it was noticed/pointed out as opposed to staying up for way longer til' their company exploded, how about that?
Exactly, whereas with what they've done it's up for 0 time instead. Do you agree that's worth the sacrifice of you having fewer options to spank it to?
Technically child porn can be uploaded to Youtube too.
Should all videos from unverified users be taken down from there as well?
You accuse others of bad faith arguments, but say horseshit like this. You can have algorithms that detect nudity and remove them automatically until a human verifies that it isn't nudity. You cannot make an algorithm that automatically removes underage nudity because there is no way for an AI to recognize a 16 year old from an 18 year old. Even humans can't always tell.
For specific videos where it's impossible to confirm one way or the other, remove those videos.
No, that does not apply to 11 million videos.
It's never, ever going to work like that. I'm sorry you can't jerk off to rape victims and people of questionable age. The second I saw what looked like a 14/15 year old being forcibly penetrated by a hairy balding creep, reported it and saw that it remained up for at least a day after, I never visited pornhub again. It was probably still up until now. The fact that you're willing to risk these videos falling through the cracks so you can have more jerk off material is fucking gross.
I do not masturbate to rape or cp, go fuck yourself.
Because I know what I watch, sorry if you're incapable of that superpower.
So you can know with certainty that an unverified video uploaded by some random doesn't involve coercion? How? How do you know nobody was forced to make it? Idk if you know this but victims of sex trafficking often pretend to enjoy their "work", and presumably can be very convincing.
Verified accounts don't really solve that, either, even if they do cut down on the potential for it to happen. GirlsDoPorn was verified. The actual porn industry has plenty of fucked up stories of coercion and they're still able to post.
It's a good move though kind of sad that the decision ultimately had nothing to do with the problematic content, and everything to do with money. All in all, it's just one website...there's a bunch of other tubesites with even less moderation than PornHub and this problem isn't going away any time soon.
Granted, I personally stopped bothering with visiting Pornhub when the whole verified account thing came around in the first place and half the content became 90 second ads for major studios, or 'verified amateur' accounts posting "My Step Mom/Dad/Brother/Sister caught me masturbating and fucked me!!!" videos en masse.
Go fuck yourself asshole. You're just making shit up.
Yeah let's make a bunch of underpaid workers spend hours a day watching weird pornography to try and decide what laws it breaks. A very moral position you've found there.
i offer critical support for pornhub.
nah, they are doing this because of bad press.
Still profit off things that should unquestionably be illegal.
I knew what you meant (and wasn't criticizing you, you're not wrong at all) I'm just saying even this is entirely self-serving. They have known about the problem for years and refused to do anything meaningful about it.
This is the worst sort of capitalist whitewashing.
I clicked out of this thread and only came back because you replied.
I also want no part of a porn struggle session.
They’re doing this because every major credit card company banned them, not because of PR.
Agree they still haven’t earned critical support.
You can still be amateur and verified dude. Just look at r/gonewild. And verified also does not mean ethical. Girlsdoporn was verified until the FBI shut them down.
The thing is amateur content is still allowed, you just need to verify a account (which most creators do anyway). This is a ban on unverified accounts uploading content to the website. Oviously PornHub don't care at all about ethics, this was done because pretty much all the credit card companies agreed to stop doing business with PornHub. As an added bonus for them it makes it much easier to control piracy if only verified accounts can upload videos.
