11.1 million (Out of about 14 million) to be more exact. Almost 80% of all their videos.
Isn’t my main porn site personally, but still pretty lame that all that amateur stuff is gone. Looks like it’s heading the way of Tumblr.
Just a reminder that Pornhub is worth nearly 3 billion dollars and easily could've afforded as big of a moderation team as they could've wanted lol.
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I can't believe I have to say this, but it does not make someone a rapist or a pedophile to suggest that a multibillion dollar company, one responsible for a site where the public can upload things to it, can afford to have a moderation team.
Literally every site that allows public uploads. porn or otherwise, runs the risk of someone uploading something fucked up to it, that's why moderation teams exist in the first place. To find and remove such content.
Yes, it sucks ass that those mods would have to even glance at such things, but Pornhub is not some crazy unique special case here. Mods everywhere have to see fucked up shit before it can be removed to protect others.
Rule-breaking content has to verified that it is, indeed, breaking the rules. That's how moderation works.
I apologize for nothing.
Peace.
Or they could've just actually put in the effort of, ya know, moderating their content.
But this is cheaper and easier, sooo...
Removing videos of children being raped and revenge porn is obviously worth the cost of you having fewer options to jack it to, how is this even a question? You holding up the idea of some sort of imaginary perfect moderation system is just a distraction
No it isn't.
Pornhub has far more than enough money to do so, it's a valid criticism.
You're acting like literally half their videos were child/revenge/etc. porn, when in reality an average moderation team likely would've taken care of the problem and it wouldn't have gotten to this point in the first place.
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Yeah, there has been multiple stories over the years about the reviewers for google.
It's fucking awful. You see the worst shit imaginable constantly. People burn out and end up with PTSD.
What should ChapoChat do to prevent CP from being uploaded? Maybe we should follow Pornhub's lead and ban non-verified users from uploading pictures/videos.
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I'll ask you the same question:
Technically child porn can be uploaded to Youtube too.
Should all videos from unverified users be taken down from there as well?
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Bet you a million dollars their algorithms don't catch all of them.
So my question stands: Should all those millions of videos of people doing absolutely nothing wrong still get nuked?
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I am not "defending rape/CP" for thinking that a multibillion dollar company can afford a moderation team. You're being absolutely ridiculous.
And once again: I wish.
Can afford a moderation team? Yes. Can afford the magical omniscient moderation team that would be required to prevent videos of child porn and revenge porn to be available for anything between hours and forever? No
Fucked up content can theoretically be uploaded to countless places on the internet where the vast majority of it's average content is inoffensive.
Should literally all of them be purged of everything they've ever had because of that?
I'm more interested in how they deal with real child porn than theoretical child porn
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You: Millions of innocent people, uploaders and wankers alike, should be collectively punished for the actions of a minority of bad actors when it could have been easily avoided entirely.
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You have to at least see that something breaks the rules before you remove it for breaking said rules, that's literally how all moderating works you fucking dumbass.
If the video IS an underaged girl but there is no way to verify that, they should just keep it up? Is that your solution?
No, I'd say in that specific instance to remove it.
Yeah that's his point. It's a shortcoming of the moderation approach that you're advocating for that doesn't exist with the verified user approach that he's advocating for
So you would favor this approach for all video/picture uploading sites?
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I'm confused by your question. Who is "we"?
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I'm not sure, but I don't see how it's relevant to your argument. Moderating pictures/videos for CP is unethical, so we need to find another way; your proposed solution is only allowing verified users to upload. Is that a strategy you'd push for other sites, or only Pornhub?
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So any site that allows uploading of nude pictures/videos, you'd favor this approach? How do we catch and remove pictures/videos of nudes on a site like ChapoChat without employing moderators that may accidentally see CP?
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Who does this on ChapoChat currently? If it's humans, how is that any different than what OP proposed for Pornhub?
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If anything I'd avocate for expanding this decision to more sites. Clearly allowing anyone to upload to ChapoChat already had some negative repurcussions, so I'll ask again: why should ChapoChat not follow suit and ban un-verified users from uploading pictures/videos?
And I can see how being coerced into moderating CP by capital is worse than volunteering to do so. But why put volunteers in that position anyway if we can just fix the problem by only allowing verified users to upload in the first place?
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We don't allow porn, but how do we get rid of it when it is uploaded?
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Right, and if what needs removing is CP then you've subjected humans to watching CP. Is that a problem? I'm not 100% sure, but it certainly makes me uncomfortable.
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Profits or not, making human moderators look at CP in order to remove it is abhorrent. Why are we okay with that happening on our site?
I never said this was the case. Idk where you got that from, tbh.
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I totally understand why it's easier to determine which porn to remove on here because all porn is to be deleted. But if CP is uploaded to this site, a human will have to see it before it is deleted. Why is that not bad?
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I just don't understand what separates us from Pornhub when it comes to moderating CP.
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Why does being smaller prevent us from implementing the same preventative tactic as Pornhub? If anything the fact that a billion dollar corporation is incapable of moderating their picture/video uploads is reason to think that we can't either.
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No.
Ok.
Which sites are we taking about that have a problem with publically publishing child porn and revenge porn?
I wasn't talking about any specific sites, I just wondered if you think this strategy would benefit other sites, or only Pornhub?
If there are other sites that have this problem then yes, probably. It's obviously always going to be a trade off- you can distribute illegal porn through the mail too but that doesn't mean we should ban the post.
But I think this is veering off into whataboutery. Yes there's a million ways child porn can be distributed and we could argue the cost and benefit of each one. We'd probably disagree about some of them. But just because there exist examples which aren't clear cut doesn't mean pornhub isn't clear cut. You should be able to defend it on its own merits. And (other than wanting a magical omniscient moderation team), budoguy is making no attempt to do so.
Me asking you if this approach would benefit other sites is whatabouttery? Idk, seems like if you think this decision was materially benefitial to children then you'd advocate for it to be expanded to other sites. Is there a reason only Pornhub should do this, or ought we encourage other sites to follow suit?
Did you read the rest of my comment? I think I made it pretty clear that there are some channels of distribution of child porn which I think would be worth the cost of closing and some I wouldn't. Other porn sites with a similar problem to pornhub, for example, I would support going to a verified user model. Whereas I wouldn't support banning email.
What's your point exactly? We could probably have a long conversation and reason out exactly where I draw the line, but to what end? Are you willing to defend unverified content on pornhub on its own merits?
Until I hear a convincing argument I don't really know what to think. That's why I'm asking you questions and trying to understand the reasoning more.
I can't figure out why, if this decision is a good one, it shouldn't apply to YouTube or any other picture/video uploading sites as well.
Okay, how much child porn is shared on YouTube?
Not sure. How much CP is required before we should be concerned?
Before we should be concerned? Any.
Before they should go to verified users only? I don't know where exactly to draw the line, which is why you're trying to push the argument to that, instead of discussing whether or not pornhub is on the wrong side of that line. It's the same tactic as a libertarian arguing that sex with a 13 year old is fine because you can't justify why the age of consent should be exactly 18 instead of 17 years and 11 months, and it's very transparent.
That's why I called it whataboutery. Pornhub obviously has a much worse problem with rape, child porn and revenge porn than YouTube. It also obviously has a much smaller impact of going to verified only than YouTube. No amount of sophistry is going to make that less obvious to you, me and everyone reading this.
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Nice job using a term Nazis created and use at the end there lol.
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Go fuck yourself asshole.
I'm not a pedo no matter how many times you say I am or how many mods you tell on me too.
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I'm not defending pedophilia just because you say I am.
Go sit on a cactus, bitch.
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Fuck you pedo.
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Whatever you say pedo.
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Uh, hold up, I tentatively agree that budoguy's priorities are not correct, but I absolutely disagree that Youtube should remove all content on the site that isn't verified. It's not a porn site. Removing small creators work because its inconvenient to moderate is incredibly fucked up. Youtube already has problems trying to make a computer do a job a human should do, lets not make that worse.
Porn sites are different though.
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I wish.
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Explain to me how long it's acceptable for a video of a teenager being raped to be on pornhub and how a moderation team would have prevented it from being up that long
Okay, you're clearly acting in bad faith with this loaded question bullshit lol.
It would've been taken down once it was noticed/pointed out as opposed to staying up for way longer til' their company exploded, how about that?
Exactly, whereas with what they've done it's up for 0 time instead. Do you agree that's worth the sacrifice of you having fewer options to spank it to?
Technically child porn can be uploaded to Youtube too.
Should all videos from unverified users be taken down from there as well?
You accuse others of bad faith arguments, but say horseshit like this. You can have algorithms that detect nudity and remove them automatically until a human verifies that it isn't nudity. You cannot make an algorithm that automatically removes underage nudity because there is no way for an AI to recognize a 16 year old from an 18 year old. Even humans can't always tell.
Then for those specific videos, remove them.
What?
For specific videos where it's impossible to confirm one way or the other, remove those videos.
No, that does not apply to 11 million videos.
It's never, ever going to work like that. I'm sorry you can't jerk off to rape victims and people of questionable age. The second I saw what looked like a 14/15 year old being forcibly penetrated by a hairy balding creep, reported it and saw that it remained up for at least a day after, I never visited pornhub again. It was probably still up until now. The fact that you're willing to risk these videos falling through the cracks so you can have more jerk off material is fucking gross.
I do not masturbate to rape or cp, go fuck yourself.
How can you really know?
Because I know what I watch, sorry if you're incapable of that superpower.
So you can know with certainty that an unverified video uploaded by some random doesn't involve coercion? How? How do you know nobody was forced to make it? Idk if you know this but victims of sex trafficking often pretend to enjoy their "work", and presumably can be very convincing.
Verified accounts don't really solve that, either, even if they do cut down on the potential for it to happen. GirlsDoPorn was verified. The actual porn industry has plenty of fucked up stories of coercion and they're still able to post.
It's a good move though kind of sad that the decision ultimately had nothing to do with the problematic content, and everything to do with money. All in all, it's just one website...there's a bunch of other tubesites with even less moderation than PornHub and this problem isn't going away any time soon.
Granted, I personally stopped bothering with visiting Pornhub when the whole verified account thing came around in the first place and half the content became 90 second ads for major studios, or 'verified amateur' accounts posting "My Step Mom/Dad/Brother/Sister caught me masturbating and fucked me!!!" videos en masse.
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Go fuck yourself asshole. You're just making shit up.
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Yeah let's make a bunch of underpaid workers spend hours a day watching weird pornography to try and decide what laws it breaks. A very moral position you've found there.
Says the guy who kills dogs.