You'll hear CEOs talk about how it enables the "Internet of Things", which is nerd-speak for replacing truckers and factory workers with robots, or turning your toaster into a surveillance tool.
5G bad
Edit: I have since been informed that opposing labor is good and progressive if I get faster internet speeds. Huh.
Uhh no, IoT isn't about replacing factory workers with robots, that's already happening for years now and you definitely don't need super fast Internet to achieve that (and even if you did, factories wouldn't be waiting for mobile 5g to do that). IoT is a dumbass hype machine that I've been hearing about for like 10 years now, it's basically expanded Google Home. Just completely unnecessary fluff. But there isn't really anything about current technology and especially Internet connection that prevents it from being possible. In fact, it IS already possible and it is already happening, it just hasn't taken off yet because of the price tag and because it is fucking pointless. When they say "oh, 5g is gonna permit us to do IoT!!!" it doesn't really mean anything, they're just spouting nonsense because they've made IoT sound like some futuristic technology that is totally gonna radically change everything when in fact it is just pointless gadgets that we already make, but, like, broader, so it's just a buzzword to make people excited. In reality all 5g is is just... Something that allows you to download vids a bit faster. And it's not even as fast as they pretend it is.
Look, my last remnants of hope are put in skynet nuking the white house, so don't come here with your facts to tell me that possibility is just a marketing scheme.
The process of automating trucking hitting road-blocks right now because the mass communication between automated vehicles is a necessary component to automation. Industry leaders understand this fact. [1][2].
The Department of Transportation has identified 5G has a necessary component to the automation of trucking in the US [3].
Every single business journal and newspaper has been salivating over the fully automated factories China & South Korea is developing right now, which required 5G [4][5][6][7].
Don't spout nonsense. "Oh, haha you just download things faster lol" Eat shit, this will be a huge blow to organized labor.
What you are describing isn't the "Internet of Things". At least it isn't what they market as the internet of things. Trucking automation is a much different subject from robots in manufacturing, or dumbass internet of things.
Eat shit, this will be a huge blow to organized labor.
You're just doing 21st century ludditism now. It's never worked and it never will, especially now.
robots in manufacturing are already “enabled” and used very, very widely.
Not nearly to the degree that exists in 5G enabled
it is basically struggle against the inevitable
This is not true. There is tangible proof of workers struggling against automation. Workers should continue to struggle against automation until we have a socialist state.
Not nearly to the degree that exists in 5G enabled
Robots? In manufacturing? For most tasks they don't really even need any internet.
This is not true. There is tangible proof of workers struggling against automation. Workers should continue to struggle against automation until we have a socialist state.
That some groups of workers struggle against automation doesn't mean it's not inevitable. What always happens in the best case is that they convince some board to block it for a few years and then when that's done, then the change happens anyways. It just stalls the transition, it doesn't block it.
Automation is good and we should respond to it by acknowledging most people don't need to work, and the remaining work can be divided into smaller pieces done by more people
In order for automated fleets to become a feature on our roads, onboard safety software will need to be able to receive uninterrupted data from sensors which provide real-time analysis of road conditions and behavior of other drivers. The advent of 5G could usher in minimized latency and constant connectivity. Not only will onboard safety systems receive uninterrupted data, but autonomous fleets will be connected to other vehicles on the road. With the adoption of 5G, vehicle-to-vehicle (V2V) communication becomes a real possibility. Each vehicle on the road would share data on speeds, traffic and routes, essentially making every autonomous truck in the fleet aware of its own surroundings.
Can you please read the articles I posted. It's literally freight capitalists describing their limitations.
Yeah, absolutely. Capital has become increasingly less reliant on labor in the Global North. That's why Walmart can shut down any shop that unionizes. That's why the UK ended its mining operations to break the power of the miners' union.
The struggle against automation is really important. Especially in regards to trucking. The US is a consumer economy, where commodities for the Global South are sold for profit. Trucking is one of the few places where labor has power. Trucks are needed to distribute commodities across the country. Labor in the US is even weaker once that is automated.
That’s why Walmart can shut down any shop that unionizes.
That's not why. The shitty political climate and lack of participation is why.
Struggle against automation is a ridiculous concept that people have been trying since the 19th century and it's never ever worked nor is it ever going to.
Struggle against automation is a ridiculous concept that people have been trying since the 19th century
The ATU in my city successfully delayed the deployment of automated buses another two years. The transit company has been pushing for limited deployment of automated buses, and the union has been fighting it. The struggle against automation is the struggle for workers.
"Struggle against capitalism is a ridiculous concept that people have been trying since the 19th century and it’s never ever worked nor is it ever going to."
Just admit this is what you meant. Admit you are anti-labor, and fuck off.
Well under the current system it's just capitalism advancing and horrible, I don't disagree. I'm saying we should push for changing the system. Increasing automation should mean we demand lowered expectations of work and distribute the remaining work more evenly without cratering wages.
and it's also progress in the sense that it's inevitable under capitalism.
Is that what you think I said? Why is this about your mom suddenly? It absolutely does suck that people will lose their jobs. But in the grand scheme of things, it is the most inevitable thing in the history of inevitable things. Any victory made is a temporary, short term one. AND IT'S GOOD THAT PEOPLE MAKE TEMPORARY VICTORIES, but it isn't something you can strive for on a large scale.
Sadly it just give you slightly faster internet
It gives incredibly fast internet.
You'll hear CEOs talk about how it enables the "Internet of Things", which is nerd-speak for replacing truckers and factory workers with robots, or turning your toaster into a surveillance tool.
5G bad
Edit: I have since been informed that opposing labor is good and progressive if I get faster internet speeds. Huh.
Uhh no, IoT isn't about replacing factory workers with robots, that's already happening for years now and you definitely don't need super fast Internet to achieve that (and even if you did, factories wouldn't be waiting for mobile 5g to do that). IoT is a dumbass hype machine that I've been hearing about for like 10 years now, it's basically expanded Google Home. Just completely unnecessary fluff. But there isn't really anything about current technology and especially Internet connection that prevents it from being possible. In fact, it IS already possible and it is already happening, it just hasn't taken off yet because of the price tag and because it is fucking pointless. When they say "oh, 5g is gonna permit us to do IoT!!!" it doesn't really mean anything, they're just spouting nonsense because they've made IoT sound like some futuristic technology that is totally gonna radically change everything when in fact it is just pointless gadgets that we already make, but, like, broader, so it's just a buzzword to make people excited. In reality all 5g is is just... Something that allows you to download vids a bit faster. And it's not even as fast as they pretend it is.
Look, my last remnants of hope are put in skynet nuking the white house, so don't come here with your facts to tell me that possibility is just a marketing scheme.
The process of automating trucking hitting road-blocks right now because the mass communication between automated vehicles is a necessary component to automation. Industry leaders understand this fact. [1] [2].
The Department of Transportation has identified 5G has a necessary component to the automation of trucking in the US [3].
Every single business journal and newspaper has been salivating over the fully automated factories China & South Korea is developing right now, which required 5G [4] [5] [6] [7].
Don't spout nonsense. "Oh, haha you just download things faster lol" Eat shit, this will be a huge blow to organized labor.
What you are describing isn't the "Internet of Things". At least it isn't what they market as the internet of things. Trucking automation is a much different subject from robots in manufacturing, or dumbass internet of things.
You're just doing 21st century ludditism now. It's never worked and it never will, especially now.
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Not nearly to the degree that exists in 5G enabled
This is not true. There is tangible proof of workers struggling against automation. Workers should continue to struggle against automation until we have a socialist state.
Robots? In manufacturing? For most tasks they don't really even need any internet.
That some groups of workers struggle against automation doesn't mean it's not inevitable. What always happens in the best case is that they convince some board to block it for a few years and then when that's done, then the change happens anyways. It just stalls the transition, it doesn't block it.
Automation is good and we should respond to it by acknowledging most people don't need to work, and the remaining work can be divided into smaller pieces done by more people
Cool, so we just ask the owners of Capital very very nicely to share.
Okay, you keep fighting. Keep fighting the same battle again and again knowing that they can just keep attacking and you can only lose once.
You are talking about someone's employment and their union.
"Keep fighting for a wage and a union, you'll lose eventually 🤗 " very cool take, I love supporting labor.
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Can you please read the articles I posted. It's literally freight capitalists describing their limitations.
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Yeah, absolutely. Capital has become increasingly less reliant on labor in the Global North. That's why Walmart can shut down any shop that unionizes. That's why the UK ended its mining operations to break the power of the miners' union.
The struggle against automation is really important. Especially in regards to trucking. The US is a consumer economy, where commodities for the Global South are sold for profit. Trucking is one of the few places where labor has power. Trucks are needed to distribute commodities across the country. Labor in the US is even weaker once that is automated.
That's not why. The shitty political climate and lack of participation is why.
Struggle against automation is a ridiculous concept that people have been trying since the 19th century and it's never ever worked nor is it ever going to.
God, you are incredibly fucking stupid lol
The ATU in my city successfully delayed the deployment of automated buses another two years. The transit company has been pushing for limited deployment of automated buses, and the union has been fighting it. The struggle against automation is the struggle for workers.
"Struggle against capitalism is a ridiculous concept that people have been trying since the 19th century and it’s never ever worked nor is it ever going to."
Just admit this is what you meant. Admit you are anti-labor, and fuck off.
It's a losing struggle. automation is progress and you can't fight it for forever.
I'm not saying you're wrong to try I'm saying that strategically we should acknowledge automation will come and we should act accordingly.
What do you mean by this? How is it progressive to throw millions of people out of work?
Well under the current system it's just capitalism advancing and horrible, I don't disagree. I'm saying we should push for changing the system. Increasing automation should mean we demand lowered expectations of work and distribute the remaining work more evenly without cratering wages.
and it's also progress in the sense that it's inevitable under capitalism.
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invented technology is going to be used though.
Oh really? Wow. You pushed back labor armageddon two years lmao. Good job.
Yeah, anti-labor just like, you know, Marx, famously anti labor idiot.
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Is that what you think I said? Why is this about your mom suddenly? It absolutely does suck that people will lose their jobs. But in the grand scheme of things, it is the most inevitable thing in the history of inevitable things. Any victory made is a temporary, short term one. AND IT'S GOOD THAT PEOPLE MAKE TEMPORARY VICTORIES, but it isn't something you can strive for on a large scale.