:"Everything I don't like is political. If it's something I like, then it's not political, but just common sense and has been that way since the dawn of time."Sounding an awful lot like Gamers.
Two genders, male and political.
Two races, white and political.
Three sexual orientations, straight, hot lesbians, and political.
Three sexual orientations, straight, hot lesbians, and political.
Gundam: the Witch From Mercury went from hot lesbians to political lesbians when they showed no-room-for-theoretical-male-senpai commitment and exchange of friendship rings!
Got to get the weebs excited about girls kissing but not scare them by the girls kissing actually loving each other enough for real commitment that leaves no room for an ego insert senpai
Guel is the self-insert character Weebs need. Go from a boorish arrogant sexist to a humble respecter of women.
“The worst illiterate is the political illiterate, he doesn’t hear, doesn’t speak, nor participates in the political events. He doesn’t know the cost of life, the price of the bean, of the fish, of the flour, of the rent, of the shoes and of the medicine, all depends on political decisions. The political illiterate is so stupid that he is proud and swells his chest saying that he hates politics. The imbecile doesn’t know that, from his political ignorance is born the abandoned child, and the worst thieves of all, the bad politician, corrupted and flunky of the national and multinational companies.”
― Bertolt Brecht
- Show
get the reference?
If you know who I'm referencing, he fucking sucks
If you change your mind, Shaun provides a great way to keep to a healthy, limited exposure to the reference.
Your innocence is still maintained if you if you only know "TealDeer" as a silly little pun. There is something much worse behind the reference. Partly why I linked the video was because if I remember right, like me you despise pedants especially of the debatebro reddit new atheist antifeminist brand. Tl;dr was one of the worst and thats saying something.
I'm glad I haven't seen more than this video about them, then. Already has that "Oy I am British m8 therefore Reddit sees me as intellectual authority I swear on me mum ya c--t" thing going on.
That smuglord in a recent thread that said "programming.dev doesn't allow politics" certainly allows programming.dev's nonpolitical politics to ooze anywhere I can see a programming.dev user address of origin.
"I don't have time to discuss politics, I'm too busy getting the master and slave drives to work together."
"Anyway, let me tell you about my next project: the Torment Nexus."
"If you don't like the Torment Nexus, just don't draw the ire of Immortal Cyberlord Bezos. Simple!"
I never got the complaints about that. It's not inherently bad to have one thing exert complete control over another thing.. the problem is when you start doing it to people
I don't think I've seen anyone with a problem with the computing concept itself, they have a problem with the unnecessarily unpleasant and offensive nomenclature. There's lots of ways to express a leader/follower dynamic that's intuitively understandable. Hell, call them Dom/Sub drives if you want to.
There's just no good reason to invoke historical attrocity that's still ongoing to describe a concept like this.
Ok fair point and that is a really funny idea. But afaict dom/sub dynamics aren't complete control and it would be pretty dangerous if they were
There does seem to be a huge disconnect between people who believe in the existence a meaningful category called "non-political" and reality.
Please post more political memes particularly about non-US politics.
what even is a non-political meme? you can make a political analysis essay for every meme in existence.
Man Getting Hit By Football is a short film about rampant ableism and ageism within Springfield. As we can see with Sherman chastising Homer's boorish behavior, the film is not a comedy, but Homer is unable to see the film as anything but a comedy due to his rampant ableism and ageism, as repeatedly demonstrated throughout the years with his willful and malicious neglect of Grandpa Simpson.
Are we supposed to read every post and every comment even if we don't like it ?
That seems so unfair ! We should have a right not to read posts and comments if we find them about a subject we don't want to interact with right then.
Political memes are a subset of memes therefore political memes can be posted in a meme channel.
Exactly. We complainers aren't saying they can't post about politics, just requesting they post their political memes in the designated political meme space.
EDIT: A message to people from Hexbear
Thank you for your input, but I stopped responding to arguments here at least 24 hours ago because I can't juggle that many conversations at once. I would ask that you respect that and not continue to argue with me about what is and isn't political, because I'm just going to ignore it anyways. Thank you.
In this context, it's matters related to government, politicians, or the general culture of a country, in which there are two or more major camps of conflicting opinions, where a good deal of people in one or more of those camps view the other camp as evil because of their view.
If the post is in a community where only one of the camps is significantly present, but the post is attacking the other camp, it is still political.
Why do you ask? Are you hoping to expose some inconsistency in my definition? Maybe use it to call something I like political with the expectation that I'll disagree with you? Or were you expecting my definition to be biased, calling something political that shouldn't be, so that you could expose me as a moustache-twirling villain?
So we can't post memes about ..... checks notes the general culture of our country?
So no memes about anything with literally any specifics.
You realize if you got your wish memses would just be "how many of yall like breathing"
Maybe you could point us to an example of an acceptable meme with no politics involved.
Earlier in this thread, I said:
We complainers aren’t saying they can’t post about politics, just requesting they post their political memes in the designated political meme space.
I also clarified that it has to be contentious, in a way where people condemn each other for thinking differently.
Here are some non-political memes posted in this community in the past hour:
https://lemmy.ml/post/5184036
https://lemmy.ml/post/5185652
https://lemmy.ml/post/5185650
https://lemmy.ml/post/5186256
https://lemmy.ml/post/5186204That's 5 of the 6 memes posted in that timespan.
Here let me give you the codex.
When this person says "political" they mean "things I dont agree with"
I don't think "I don't like my job" is politically divisive. You don't really get people up in arms about it unless you're complaining about capitalism or work in general. Even boomers have their "I'd rather be fishing" meme about it.
I don't think "I don't like my job" is politically divisive.
This is absolutely a political statement. Your work and conditions are political and can be changed only through seizing control and unionization, both political actions.
With the division of labour, in which all these contradictions are implicit, and which in its turn is based on the natural division of labour in the family and the separation of society into individual families opposed to one another, is given simultaneously the distribution, and indeed the unequal distribution, both quantitative and qualitative, of labour and its products, hence property: the nucleus, the first form, of which lies in the family, where wife and children are the slaves of the husband. This latent slavery in the family, though still very crude, is the first property, but even at this early stage it corresponds perfectly to the definition of modern economists who call it the power of disposing of the labour-power of others. Division of labour and private property are, moreover, identical expressions: in the one the same thing is affirmed with reference to activity as is affirmed in the other with reference to the product of the activity.
Further, the division of labour implies the contradiction between the interest of the separate individual or the individual family and the communal interest of all individuals who have intercourse with one another. And indeed, this communal interest does not exist merely in the imagination, as the “general interest,” but first of all in reality, as the mutual interdependence of the individuals among whom the labour is divided. And finally, the division of labour offers us the first example of how, as long as man remains in natural society, that is, as long as a cleavage exists between the particular and the common interest, as long, therefore, as activity is not voluntarily, but naturally, divided, man’s own deed becomes an alien power opposed to him, which enslaves him instead of being controlled by him. For as soon as the distribution of labour comes into being, each man has a particular, exclusive sphere of activity, which is forced upon him and from which he cannot escape. He is a hunter, a fisherman, a herdsman, or a critical critic, and must remain so if he does not want to lose his means of livelihood; while in communist society, where nobody has one exclusive sphere of activity but each can become accomplished in any branch he wishes, society regulates the general production and thus makes it possible for me to do one thing today and another tomorrow, to hunt in the morning, fish in the afternoon, rear cattle in the evening, criticise after dinner, just as I have a mind, without ever becoming hunter, fisherman, herdsman or critic. This fixation of social activity, this consolidation of what we ourselves produce into an objective power above us, growing out of our control, thwarting our expectations, bringing to naught our calculations, is one of the chief factors in historical development up till now.
- Marx. The German Ideology.
Tl:DR work under capitalism fucking sucks because it's exploiting us and not fighting for your liberation is politically divisive
Well by that logic, merely saying "I have a job" is a political statement.
Also I'm not reading all that, thank you.
Also I'm not reading all that, thank you.
Because claiming to be "nonpolitical" continues to mean wishing to be willfully ignorant and comfortably within the realm of political norms you're so used to that you just don't notice them.
Well by that logic, merely saying "I have a job" is a political statement.
spoiler
Ask yourself a simple question. What happens to someone that doesn't have a job in our society?
Well by that logic, merely saying "I have a job" is a political statement.
Yes
You'd be so close if your attention span was longer than a goldfish.
Also you can't talk shit about sonething and then admit you didn't read it.
Also also were not libs so nobody is impressed by you refusing to interact with things that don't already confirm your beliefs.
People have a lot to say about my position on something. Should i examine some of my underlying assumptions and unexamined opinions regarding this issue?
No, its the hexbears who are wrong
There comes a point where I can't juggle conversations with 20 different people on the same topic and I have to step back instead of trying.
I've had this exact conversation with an irl friend about how life is political, and you don't get to pretend that your worldview is somehow so above it all and apolitical so that you can tell other people to stop posting memes in the meme channel.
It's alright. I appreciate you guys in a way. Honestly I don't want my feed to be on an echo chamber, that's not good for anyone.
I just don't think this is the right community to do it.
"I don't like my job" is so political people bled and died to the american government for your right to not have to do it 80 hours a week as a 12 year old.
First one is about technology and alienation under a capitalist mode of production, discussing work and leisure. That's political.
Third one is about dating and advertisements online, which is related to sexual politics and commodification of sex work online. Political.
You're pretty upset that I asked a question aren't you? I wonder why that is.
Government and politicians I think are pretty self explanatory and I would agree those are inherently political, no argument there.
What do you think is part of a general culture of a country, or not? How would you define culture that has conflicting opinions? Is it solely up to your discretion, or would you agree that if anyone has any disagreement about a meme that would make it automatically political?
Is this one political because it references the FBI, a governmental organization? https://startrek.website/post/1847371 I would argue that it is political.
Is this one political because it references culture related to advertising in capitalism? I would think everyone should agree that any reference to or commentary of an economic system is inherently political because of course economic systems are controversial. I don't see how anyone could argue that references to a combination of two major brands isn't a commentary on marketing: https://programming.dev/post/3200916
I mean this one references politics so it's clearly political right? https://lemm.ee/post/8502748
I'm just curious about what you and others think is political versus not. You can't have a discussion about if something should or should not be allowed if you can't clearly define the boundaries of that thing. I find the discussion around what is and isn't politics to be an interesting one, that's all.
Not upset, just suspicious because I've seen you asking that question a lot.
Obviously what I consider political is up to my discretion, but I'm pretty sure the general definition does not include contentious memes, and mine doesn't either because I gave a clause about one side considering the other side evil because of it.
In general, if a person asks themselves "is what I'm posting political?" they can answer correctly 95% of the time, and the 5% of edge cases won't upset 95% of the complainers.
That's an awful lot of words to implicitly say "it's not political if I agree with it"
"If a person asks themselves is this political they can answer correctly 95% of the time."
Yea turns out it's easier to answer a question correctly if you're deciding I'd the answer is right or not.
That’s an awful lot of words to implicitly say “it’s not political if I agree with it”
Where are you getting that?
Where you said your test is asking yourself if you thought it was political and saying you were right 95% of the time.
What I meant was that anyone can ask themselves if it's political, and 95% of the time they'll get it right by the standards of 95% of the people who don't like politics.
Ohh so it's at the discretion of people who "don't like politics" if it's political or not.
Dont worry I've seen those "non political" people talk a lot so I know what you mean.
Like how there's two races. White and "political"
So as long as what you post doesn't offend straight white people it isn't political, but if it does then it is.
What a refreshing and original take.
You're kinda misconstruing what I'm saying a lot.
Everyone has their own threshold for what's political. Some people say everything is political. Some people say it's only political if it relates to conflict between politicians.
I'm saying in 95% of cases, 95% of people can agree on what is and isn't political.
When people complain about political memes, they're usually complaining about blatantly political posts, like ones making fun of the republican party, not memes that happen to feature Black people.
I'm saying in 95% of cases, 95% of people can agree on what is and isn't political.
This is clearly not what you just said before
95% of the time they'll get it right by the standards of 95% of the people who don't like politics.
Unless you are suggesting that something like ~96.95% of the population "doesn't like politics
I think can answer the memes questions for you.
- Non political
- Non political
- I guess it could be considered political in a way, but it doesn't target a specific party or opinion so I'd let it through.
Lmao. The FBI: famously non-political government organization that murders activists as easily as one can breath air.
And Microsoft: famously non-political company that
bribeslobbies the u.s government constantly to gain monopoly over their market, works hand-in-hand with federal agencies to monitor system users, and regularly influences city, state, and national politics in the pursuit of subsidies of the American worker in order to further boost their already gross profit margins.I'm not disagreeing that some companies can have a political impact on the world.
Those memes in particular, aren't focused on the political aspects. You have to be missing a brain in order to miss the point there.
You can't have one without the other and you'd have to have a brain smoother than melting butter in order to miss the point there
There's no point arguing with you since you can't understand the basic concept of what the point of a meme is nor can you read what I previously wrote.
since you can't understand the basic concept of what the point of a meme is
You think the basic concept of a meme is an increasingly stale chuckle you get while being in an ever-smaller bubble world because the world outside of that is scary and uncomfortable to you.
What? This is a community for memes. Political debate isn't memes. Simple as that.
Keep your head in the sand as deep and long as you like, but that doesn't change the fact that almost everything imaginable has some intersectional political context, including whining about things being too political.
You may not notice it when you're comfortable and used to it, but it's there.
Simple as that.
The only thing simple about it is your willful ignorance and the ever-smaller bubble world you're trying to hold together because the world outside of it is scary and political.
I get what you mean, even thought I don't entirely agree.
If you go to extremes, everything can be political. That's not the reality more often than not. Also, I don't mind politics, and I enjoy different opinions. However, I don't think memes where the point is clearly to annoy or trigger any political party or political movement belong here though.
In sum, I respect and appreciate any and all political opinions, on political centric communities. I just want to look at stupid memes and unwind, I don't want to see the the usual left/right/capitalist/socialist/communist arguments.
If you go to extremes
Who decides what is "extreme?" You?
That's the problem. It's a vague arbitrary line that seems defined by "what you find uncomfortable that you don't want to think about."
Extremes are based on common sense. If you don't have common sense then I'm afraid I can't help you understand what is political and what isn't.
I'm done wasting my time with this crap.
Extremes are based on common sense.
Again, what you call your common sense as an arbitrary and selfish metric that others clearly do not agree with, including here in this thread.
If you don't have common sense then I'm afraid I can't help you understand what is political and what isn't.
That's an impressive amount of textual masturbation there.
I'm done wasting my time with this crap.
Alas, you must go, the nonpolitical logical humans of Rationalia require your presence. Be on your way, oh nonpolitical arbiter of what is and isn't common sense.
Extremes are based on common sense. If you don't have common sense then I'm afraid I can't help you understand what is political and what isn't.
FUCKIN LMAO and who defines what common sense is? Is there a list of criteria for something to be considered common sense that is generally accepted? I must have missed that checklist.
Guess I'm a dumbfuck.
There's no point arguing with you since you're detached from material reality, nor can you read what I previously wrote.
No you have to be missing a brain to think monopolies don't have anything to do with politics.
Stealing a line from something I saw earlier. If you don't like the memes just ignore them like you do the homeless people you walk by, non-politically.
I never said they don't have anything to do with politics you dumbfuck. Re-read my post.
Ok I re read the part where you said
- Not political
And interpreted that to mean you didn't think it was political.
If that wasn't the intent you should work on communicating more clearly, or not being mad when people correctly read what you posted.
Oh god. How thick can you be? I meant the MEME isn't political. Never said anything about Microsoft or other big companies.
You did not read correctly, indeed. The question was if the meme was political, not Microsoft.
Oh god. How thick can you be? You did not read correctly, indeed. The question was if the meme was political. And it clearly is, since it references political entities and distributes the ideology of whoever is OP of the meme to a bunch of unsuspecting lurkers that falsely assume it's non-political. Also the fact that you disagree about what is and what isn't political makes it political
You guys are making it political.
Remove the hexbear instance and you'll see that most of the comments agree on what is and isn't politics, even thought their feelings towards X and Y political party differ. It's seems it's just you guys creating a shit storm of nonsense and everybody else kinda getting along despite their differences.
There is a massive degree of consensus between Democrats and Republicans with vicious disagreement on a minority of issues
I wouldn't know, I'm not from the US ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ But for what little I know of US politics, I believe you are correct.
Nah, I'm describing a meme focused community.
If there are no politics, there are no echo chambers to be had.
That must explain why all those meme focused communities, especially the "dank" and "edgy" ones radicalized a generation of white boys to worship Andrew tate and why we've got 10 year olds saying kill all gays and fuck women to popular "meme" streamers.
Cus of how non political those places are.
I agree with you there. I hate that little old scrutum too.
But, if those memes would start to get too edgy, yes I would still want a specific community for them
Wow what a surprise the person complaining about memes being too political also thinks that the memes that radicalized fascists should still be kept around.
You're literally the white moderate holding back progress MLK Jr described.
What drugs are you high on?
I didn't say those memes should be kept around. I said they should have their own community in the sense that I don't want them here.
Truth be told, we would have no way to ban those people from creating a community or even an entire instance if they wanted to.
Also, I'm not from the US. No fucking clue what you mean by white moderate. Also, why specifically white? Wtf
Of course you think that there are no politics, because you have a very limited understanding of politics
When you get to the size of a monopoly like that, you operate on such a massive scale that your very existence as a company, and the actions required to grow and sustain it, is orders of magnitude more politcal than say, the small-scale relationship between a restaurant owner and their employees, which is also inherently politcal.
Again, I'm not saying you guys are wrong. What I'm saying is that the point of the meme is NOT political in nature.
But I think they're political. Is my opinion on what is and is not political invalid for some objective reason?
You're entitled to your opinion. It doesn't make it less wrong though, the content of the memes is clearly not political.
Acknowledging the fact that politics exist is not inherently political. Please explain how that third meme is even remotely political?
Regardless, the lack of a clear and simple political-or-not binary is not an excuse to avoid moderation. The political nature of some things will be argued and some things will slip through the cracks. It happens with all spectrums. But on the other hand, some things are so clearly political that it's nigh impossible to argue they're not. I'm sure you can see the massive difference in a meme about Microsoft shoes and a meme about Trump or Biden bad. Those clear extremely political memes are the ones people want banned to their own communities.
And to be clear, I actually like political memes. I just find your rebuttal to be in bad taste.
So basically you want to go with "whatever the mods think in their gut is political, is political" and expect that you'll have a well moderated community with that as your rule?
I mean, you do you, but that doesn't sound like a recipe for success to me.
If you have to ask why the 3rd meme is political I encourage you to go read the thread beneath it. Look at how much discussion and conflict it caused. It's clearly political and basically that entire thread's discussion is proof positive.
They are wrong because those memes aren't politic. They are not mentioning any party or political affiliation in any way.
Do companies influence politics? Absolutely. But that's not the point of the meme.
Got it. So only memes that directly mention a political party or political party position is political.
Since there are many communist parties across the globe, that means that any post referencing capitalism is political since making any statement on capitalism is political since it's related directly to the party stance of political parties around the world, both pro and against.
So the Microsoft Nike crossover meme is political by your definition. Glad we agree!
"You're almost in the direction of my feelings about what is political and what isn't based upon how I feel about it!"
general culture of a country
youre gonna have to get more specific there. what part of American "culture" grinds your gears and you want to see less of?
skibidi toilet memes are american culture and thus political
i don't make the rules
The concept of having 'free speech zones' where political speech is allowed is ... very inherently political though.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_speech_zone
Civil liberties advocates argue that free speech zones are used as a form of censorship and public relations management to conceal the existence of popular opposition from the mass public and elected officials.[24] There is much controversy surrounding the creation of these areas – the mere existence of such zones is offensive to some people, who maintain that the First Amendment to the United States Constitution makes the entire country an unrestricted free speech zone.[24] The Department of Homeland Security "has even gone so far as to tell local police departments to regard critics of the War on Terrorism as potential terrorists themselves."
just requesting they post their political memes in the designated political meme space
How is everyone supposed to know what parts of reality and conceivable concepts are political to you and which parts of it are just the political status quo norms that you're so comfortable with that you don't notice it the way a fish doesn't notice water?
"Please keep your demonstration within the designated Free Speech Area"
Exactly! Just like how nobody was saying Rosa Parks couldn't ride the bus. She would have gotten to her destination anyway had she just ridden at the back like we requested!
political memes are not comparable to segregation wtf, i dont mean to friendly fire but this take is not the dunk you think it is
You're right. Wanting people who make you uncomfortable to go to their own area so that you don't have to see them or think about their political grievances has no parallels with segregation.
Look, yes obviously as socialists we are not welcome in most public places if we speak out, but of all places to make that claim Lemmy.ml is not the one. The mods here are comrades. This is, next to hexbear and grad, probably one of the online spaces most receptive to us. The
you were replying to has no institutional power against us at all. I hate to tone police but posting on Lemmy is not comparable to being Rosa Parks and trying to make a tortured analogy isn't helping anyone.The atomic unit of propaganda is emphasis. If you force people to stop posting "political" memes in the main memes space then you are implicitly taking the stance is that "non-political" memes are normal and "political" memes are the other. Everyone intuitively understands that being othered is not desirable because the advocates for separation are not the ones volunteering to create their own apolitical memes space, they're trying to get political memes ejected from the mainstream space.
Of course this isn't literal segregation, but the arguments for separation basically all boil down to "go to this separate but equal space and stay there" so if they don't want to be compared to people who historically made the same argument, they should try coming up with a different argument.
A message to people from Hexbear
Not from Hexbear, do I get to respond?
because conservative memes calling queer people groomers and defending police brutality are the exact same as communist memes criticising these people
someone post hardcore conservative memes
It's nice to have something to point and laugh at sometimes
Are you laughing because you understand something we don't, or just because you think it'll make us go away?
This must have been poorly worded, I was referring to the "hardcore conservative memes" OP was alluding to posting
I don't care which side is saying it I'm just tired of it (for the same reason I am tired of advertising)
Lmao. This post is specifically made for
like you. I literally saw you commenting on a meme about conservative physics and one about tax evasion. Both very political things. Yet I did not see you complaining there. For someone who claims to be tired of seeing politics in their memes, you sure do love them.ya got me there
my excuse, don't read if you don't want to read
after writing that comment I decided to write comments on some posts to show that I didn't have a left-leaning bias (which is a shit thing to do)
I didn’t have a left-leaning bias
Nice try, but you can’t escape bias. Contrary to popular opinion, unbiased sources don’t exist.
Be careful that you don’t have a liberal-leaning bias; both US parties preach liberalism
"Why can't people stop existing or having thoughts or ideas that threaten my increasingly tiny bubble world?"
lot more where that came from.
incredibly bad comparison
