• zifnab25 [he/him, any]
    hexbear
    85
    9 months ago

    This is the sort of shit you can only pull when a large number of refugees are desperately looking for housing in a state that refuses to accommodate them.

    • Gosplan14_the_Third [none/use name]
      hexbear
      28
      9 months ago

      Nah, Poland has plenty of empty (dodgy quality) housing left abandoned since 1989.

      This is just the thing Polish bourgeois like to do. The "everyone is trying to screw me over, so why shouldn't I do the same?" is very popular among the population.

    • RyanGosling [none/use name]
      hexbear
      11
      9 months ago

      Ukrainians’ cracker status in Europe is contingent on whether the refugees get uppity over “rent hikes” and other “inhumane measures”

  • Frogmanfromlake [none/use name]
    hexbear
    67
    9 months ago

    Is this the dream of every Westerner to own property that they can rent out? I hear a lot of this from Americans and Canadians about how they want to get into real estate.

    • aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]
      hexbear
      53
      edit-2
      9 months ago

      It's not just a westerner thing, look at China before Mao's reforms. Look at parts of South Africa now. Feudal economic conditions lead to this kind of rent seeking behaviour being taken to the extreme. It's why Adam Smith hated landlords so much, the whole point of capitalism, to those that actually belive in it, is that's it's a progression from feudalism. So this kind of extreme rent seeking behaviour should not be a part of capitalism, according to what I refer to as utopian and idealistic capitalists. However, in actually existing capitalism, neo feudal economic conditions are recreated over time as the rate of profit falls. Which leads to this kind of behaviour and landlord worship.

      • usernamesaredifficul [he/him]
        hexbear
        20
        9 months ago

        The Chinese landlords pre Mao were more feudal lords than people renting out residential properties

        • aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]
          hexbear
          28
          9 months ago

          And the people renting out residential properties are becoming more and more feudal in their tactics as time passes. Like in this post about the guy subdividing his apartment in Poland, to take advantage of a refugee crisis with the war next door.

          • usernamesaredifficul [he/him]
            hexbear
            22
            9 months ago

            no I mean Mao's landlords were actual literal feudal lords with peasants, manors, castles and everything

              • GarbageShoot [he/him]
                hexbear
                15
                9 months ago

                I just realized the depth of perversion it is to have women doing ballet to celebrate "China before communism" when those women would have probably had bound feet if not for communism and therefore been unable to perform ballet (or could only do so at extreme difficulty).

        • GarbageShoot [he/him]
          hexbear
          14
          edit-2
          9 months ago

          So were the people Smith calls "landlords," (who were generally renting land for farming, not shelter, as they also did in China). His point stands, it's just a different type of rent extraction.

        • GarbageShoot [he/him]
          hexbear
          18
          9 months ago

          Feudal economic conditions lead to this kind of rent seeking behaviour being taken to the extreme

          For reference, it was common in pre-Mao China for landlords to take 90% of the harvest from a peasant, who did the labor just to be able to get the remaining 10% because they owned no land on which to farm their own crops.

          • infuziSporg [e/em/eir]
            hexbear
            4
            9 months ago

            That's interesting and outrageous but it doesn't answer my question at all.

            • GarbageShoot [he/him]
              hexbear
              3
              9 months ago

              The answer is that feudal conditions aren't needed but that's not what the other person said.

      • SaniFlush [any, any]
        hexbear
        8
        9 months ago

        See you’re expecting western capitalists to actually read and comprehend Adam Smith instead of simply invoking his name like a saint.

    • barrbaric [he/him]
      hexbear
      44
      9 months ago

      Yes. I have a cousin who bought a place and is renting it out rather than living there because she can't actually afford the mortgage on her own salary. She's living with my aunt for free.

      It's bad, folks. took-restraint

      • Frogmanfromlake [none/use name]
        hexbear
        26
        9 months ago

        Jesus. You guys should live down here where the government can't reach us and we build our own houses with the community. Only downsides are very awful internet access and spotty electricity. That, and you need to grow and harvest your own food.

      • kristina [she/her]
        hexbear
        15
        edit-2
        9 months ago

        it pretty much is the only option to retire. yea

        at least you can reduce the moral dilemma of it by doing vacation rentals or something? in a spot where its obvious there needs to be vacation housing

    • UlyssesT [he/him]
      hexbear
      22
      9 months ago

      Is this the dream of every Westerner to own property that they can rent out?

      That was 90% of the pull of Metaverse(tm) and NFT grifts, yeah.

    • RyanGosling [none/use name]
      hexbear
      18
      edit-2
      9 months ago

      The average person’s dream is to be able to exploit their neighbors. They won’t say it of course. But they’ll talk about wanting to own property to rent. When my family came here and was poor as hell, my dad considered buying two houses to rent the other.

      Luckily my mom talked him out of it, but that’s because he was planning on doing all the maintenance work and answering calls lol. Wonder how it would’ve played out if they learned that you can be a lazy bum and outsource everything at your leisure and most people won’t be able to complain because housing would be scarce 10 years later.

    • GaveUp [she/her]
      hexbear
      16
      edit-2
      9 months ago

      Yep, I know a 22 year old who's current financial goals in life is looking for rental properties to buy within the next year in his cheap hometown so his parents can manage it

        • GaveUp [she/her]
          hexbear
          16
          9 months ago

          Depressing news there are zoomers that are becoming landlords already

          • RNAi [he/him]
            hexbear
            5
            9 months ago

            We failed to those children, and they are acting accordingly

      • RyanGosling [none/use name]
        hexbear
        6
        9 months ago

        My cousin who is 18 plans on getting a house with friends so she can get her friends to pay the mortgage via rent

        • GaveUp [she/her]
          hexbear
          7
          9 months ago

          Pay HER mortgage? That's incredibly deranged if so

          Me and 4 of my friends at the beginning of uni considered buying a townhouse and then selling it after we graduate lol

    • RNAi [he/him]
      hexbear
      11
      edit-2
      9 months ago

      That's capitalism confronted with finite resources, everyone just want to be a renter and reap what they don't sow

    • YearOfTheCommieDesktop [they/them]
      hexbear
      26
      9 months ago

      give me like 20% more space and access to nice communal food and recreation areas and I'm game for sleeping in a little box tbh. But this isn't that.

      • janny [they/them]
        hexbear
        22
        9 months ago

        i've lived like this and trust me you don't want this. the place becomes infested with bugs and mold and the fridge becomes unusuable because it's so full and you end up eating out way more which kills alot of the money you saved by living in a shithole.

        Plus god forbit you don't wake up 2 hours before work and you have to choose between go to work smelling like shit or being 45 minutes late because there's a line to the shower

        • Venus [she/her]
          hexbear
          11
          9 months ago

          That sounds like you've substituted the word "nice" in the comment you're replying to for the word "disgusting" and acting like they wrote it

          • GarbageShoot [he/him]
            hexbear
            6
            9 months ago

            the fridge becomes unusuable because it's so full

            Not because it's the source of the mold. Even if it's a double-fridge, with 25 people you're probably going to get it hopelessly filled.

            • Venus [she/her]
              hexbear
              5
              9 months ago

              So, have multiple refrigerators or a larger one? This problem is made up

              • GarbageShoot [he/him]
                hexbear
                4
                9 months ago

                Having furnishings extensive enough to avoid all of the logistical problems involved here would mean basically being in an entirely different situation, because you need quite a lot to have 25 people not stepping on each other's toes when all each of them has individually is a tiny bedroom.

        • UlyssesT [he/him]
          hexbear
          9
          edit-2
          9 months ago

          On top of all of that, such places are often noisy as hell because of Burgerland's special cultural blend of "I got mine" brainworms

          • janny [they/them]
            hexbear
            2
            edit-2
            9 months ago

            Eh, I wouldn't be so misanthropic about this.

            If you're living in the slum conditions like I used to you aren't some suburban parasite. You're likely a broke ass student or a retail serf who is likely queer or an oppressed nationality.

            Sure can it get loud? Yes but any group of people forced into cramped conditions with shitty walls woulld get loud because people make noise and shouldn't be forced into cramped conditions.

            • UlyssesT [he/him]
              hexbear
              4
              edit-2
              9 months ago

              It depends on location, then.

              Around here, "pods" are very noisy because they're contaminated by trust fund cishet white failsons (that are indeed suburban parasites in denial) and the queer or oppressed nationality people that are in the mix get actively and aggressively harassed in such places. It sometimes makes the local news but nothing is done about it.

    • Helmic [he/him]
      hexbear
      44
      9 months ago

      Of course not. Rimworld apartments have a communal common area that is as luxurious as the situation permits, and sometimes have enough room for a double bed.

    • Torenico [he/him]
      hexbear
      26
      9 months ago

      At least the floor isn't just dirt and pools of insect blood like in my early bases... right?

  • Thordros [he/him, comrade/them]
    hexbear
    56
    9 months ago

    He could double his revenue by installing bunk beds! He's leaving money on the table! Where's your Ligma Grindset, man?!

  • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
    hexbear
    36
    edit-2
    9 months ago

    When you look at one of those awful Hong Kong cage apartments and think: "Yes."

  • aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]
    hexbear
    30
    edit-2
    9 months ago

    This happens in South Africa too. Building in the city centre gets hijacked/stolen by these "landlords", that divide all the existing rooms using makeshift materials, and then charge rent for basically living inside a shack inside a stolen abandoned apartment building. Very dangerous, one of these buildings burnt down recently and a lot of people died.

    For those that want an international source, CNN did some coverage on it

  • Infamousblt [any]
    hexbear
    29
    9 months ago

    What an innovating and enterprising individual, bucking the trends of past inefficiencies to provide more efficient cost effective housing to people who need it most. This brave soul truly embodies the best of the Spirit of Capitalism, and the world is better for it!!

    flannel-yellow

  • janny [they/them]
    hexbear
    25
    9 months ago

    this is the future that yimbies want, god its just bleak to think about

  • RNAi [he/him]
    hexbear
    24
    edit-2
    9 months ago

    The fall of the Soviet Union and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race

  • Fishroot [none/use name]
    hexbear
    22
    9 months ago

    A landlord from Poland divided his apartment into 25 rooms of 6 square meters and rented them out for $320/month per room.

  • UlyssesT [he/him]
    hexbear
    21
    edit-2
    9 months ago

    Poland stop being a garbage fire challenge. Difficulty level: not actually burning actual garbage at record levels that can be observed from space.

    dumpster-fire poland-cool dumpster-fire