At least online, anonymity plays a part, but the discussions seem to have a lot of masculine energy to them. Is it maybe also like music, chess, or comedy where socialization plays a role in the male dominance?

I remember 60% of Bernie's constituency was female, but it doesn't seem to translate online. How can we work to attract more women to the movement?

  • Wmill [they/them]
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    4 years ago

    Why gotta use female? Kind of weird tbh honest. We got lots of women here and non binary peeps so I don't think to masculine but maybe they could give their thoughts just maybe change up the female part if you can. Will help facilitate good faith discussions.

        • the_river_cass [she/her]
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          4 years ago

          if you try and keep count in your head, 2 of every 3 being cis male is approximately accurate. I had to check too cause I interact more often with the women/enbies here.

          • Wmill [they/them]
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            4 years ago

            Starting to remember those surveys and was surprised how little trans men we have here. Also I wonder just how many of those cis guys here have explored themselves? Like once again I remember a few users that start with one pronoun before changing as they grew here, don't wanna single anyone out but proud of them.

            • the_river_cass [she/her]
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              4 years ago

              this is one of those places where socialization actually matters. AMAB people are socialized as boys so they made space for themselves in populations of mostly cis dudes, like reddit (though reddit as a whole is closer to even when you take into account the beauty & fashion subs). so we tend to have more trans women and AMAB enbies here than trans men or AFAB enbies. if this space becomes more welcoming to women, the population of trans men will also grow over time as some of them discover they're men.

              • Wmill [they/them]
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                4 years ago

                Ok I think I'm getting it. Just a little embarrassed to ask but what does AMAB and AFAB stand for saw it the other day and from what you wrote I think I know what they mean but want to make sure. Also back to your point if we made this space more inclusive for women then more will be here and more will find themselves. Struggling with words right now so forgive me if a bit dense trying my best.

        • the_river_cass [she/her]
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          4 years ago

          I think their point was that the OP used it as an adjective, not a noun. all your examples involve using the term as a noun rather than as an adjective in a noun phrase. "female leftists" rather than "females". the issue for me is that it's reductive on sex and the question should really be about non-cis-dudes.

                • jack [he/him, comrade/them]
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                  4 years ago

                  Removed my bad comment

                  Edit: I'm going to stop here because it's probably not my place as a man to argue with a woman about what's feminist. I'm going to take some time to reflect about if I'm doing a good job in regards to gender in the way I communicate online. I think I need to do better. Sorry for being obstinate and defensive.

          • Pezevenk [he/him]
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            4 years ago

            the question should really be about non-cis-dudes.

            But there are lots of trans women and NBs here compared to most not explicitly LGBTQ spaces. On the other hand there are very very few cis women and trans men, if I remember correctly combined they were less than the trans women on the sub. It has to do with what you said, AMAB people were socialised as dudes so they participate more in male oriented spaces as opposed to AFAB.

            I know a lot of the humour here is off putting to many women and especially cis women. It's just the result of being very underrepresented. I've posted about it again, what with the whole "white women lmao" stuff and the male genitalia stuff.

            • the_river_cass [she/her]
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              4 years ago

              the socialization comment was about why people self-select different platforms. this place is also off-putting to trans women, we just have more practice dealing with it. making the space more welcoming to women will help both cis and trans women feel more comfortable. I can't really speak for trans men here.